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Saj
25th August 2000, 17:41
Hi all

Having one fitted next week, I know I have left it a bit late but any one who has fitted one of these units any dislikes, or likes to make me feel better.

Thank you

Saj
STI V

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Firefox
25th August 2000, 19:26
Not big enough.... need more air flow..... mmmmmm

J.

Macca
25th August 2000, 22:37
And they keep blowing up.... at least they are cheap http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Firefox
25th August 2000, 23:45
Macca,

like a set of brake pads.. use it for a track day and and then get a new one... lol

J.

Saj
26th August 2000, 06:26
So you dont like them? So what would you suggest? without upgrading most other items.
Macca how many have you blown up and why? the reason I ask this Macca as when I bought my car a lot of STI V were blowing up.

Saj
STI V

quattro
26th August 2000, 07:01
In some places anthing capable of blowing up will do so. Out of sheer fun and unrealistic expectations.

Saj, not to worry. If properly implemented and engine mapped accordingly, your new turbo will be as good or bad as one you had before.

q.

Saj
26th August 2000, 08:17
Thank you B. I thought something along those lines.

J we always need more.

Saj

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Jonathan
26th August 2000, 10:27
Saj

Why are you changing the Turbo on my old steed ?

Jonathan

Firefox
26th August 2000, 14:56
Saj,

A VF-22 will meet the needs of most people and their demands..as Mr Q has stated.

There are just a few nutters about who go beyond the design limits and constraints of said device. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

J.

Saj
26th August 2000, 18:05
Jonathan as I said want a bit more getting used to what I have now so time for another mod.

J what would these nutters use then?

Saj

quattro
26th August 2000, 19:51
Saj,

Irrelevant. The beauty of those "nutters" is that whatever they use it will always end up in pieces. Hardware and associated materials therein are inconsequential!

So, I hope J. will not even try to tell you what they use because you will then want the same things and since (hopefully) you are not a nutter (yet?) you just stick nicely to VF22 and life will be wonderful.

ok?

take care
q.

PS. J. - your witness!!

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Mark.A
27th August 2000, 07:25
I think we owe a lot to the "nutters". These are the people that discover the safe limits for us.

Mark. Novice nutter.

quattro
27th August 2000, 07:31
No, not you as well, Mark????!!!!

q.

Macca
27th August 2000, 09:02
I have only been through 6 VF22's in 70000km, this is not bad when you consider the canning they get http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif They are a bit like brake pads, a consumable item, just a little harder to change then pads... The VF22 is the best thing to get some instant HP. in most cases they will last longer than the standard TD04 pretend turbo's http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif no other upgrades are needed other than a good boost controller.

Macca
4th September 2000, 06:34
Better make that 7 turbos...... a compressor blade let go and cut through the inlet pipe and imbedded itself in the bonnet lining!! one of my best ones so far http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif I am now looking at getting a VF29 supposedly slightly better than a VF22

bdearnley
4th September 2000, 07:08
Shit Macca, what boost are you running?! It seems to me you must be pushing these poor things harder than they were ever designed to go. Why don't you bite the bullet and get a T3/4 Turbonetics with an external wastegate? Or a T88 "Thumper" so you can run 35psi and have no boost until 6000rpm http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif - joking! Rigolis know how to do the plumbing and are Turbonetics agents. Might work out cheaper in the long run!



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BPM
4th September 2000, 11:34
Saj,

Why not just go straight to the VF29? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


Greg www.bpmsports.com (http://www.bpmsports.com)

sunilp
4th September 2000, 11:51
what is the difference between VF22 and VF29. Applying laymans logic, i would assume (not knowing any better) that the lower numbers would indicate a bigger turbo?, i.e. STIs start with a VF28 as standard and most go to a VF22. 22Bs have a VF23 which is one down from the VF22...etc

Can someone please enlighten us?

Sunil

MorayMackenzie
4th September 2000, 13:28
The VF22 seems to be a fairly good budget blower... and should, as any turbo should, have a decent service life if it is run within it's safe efficiency limits and always provided with a good flow of nice clean high quality engine oil. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif


Quattro,

After prematurely losing my VF23 to a bad case of engine meltdown http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif , I went for something a bit more, um, "special" than a VF22, does that make me a nutter? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

(It may influence your judgement to know that I am not running it anywhere near it's 2.3bar limit... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif )

Moray
("Nutter" title under negotiation... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif )

Macca
7th September 2000, 03:12
Not wanting to freak anyone out but I am looking at a moderate sized IHI RX-6, but sanity may prevail an I may just get a VF29....

I think and have been told that the IHI product is far better than any of the Garret/turbonetics stuff, so i think I will stick with the old faithful brand and just move up a step..

Imprezer
7th September 2000, 06:14
Not that I really care, but Garrett turbo's are far more advanced than any other turbo's. Maybe that why you went through 7 of IHI's already. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Garrett was, is and always will be an innovator and undesputed leader in turbocharging industry. Now, if I could only find a big Garrett turbo that will bolt on my CUSCO WRX manifold/downpipe and be big enough to provide all the needs I have with my 2.5L motor, I would be very happy.



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pat
8th September 2000, 11:15
Macca,

Have you considered a TD06 blower? That should give you sufficient air and have a reasonable service life... none of this flimsy ball bearing stuff... :)

Imprezer,

go mad, fit a Garrett T6, you know you want to! Or, if you wanna keep your original pipework, have a peek at TDI's website, they now have a bolt-on kit for the Garrett / HKS GT series twin roller bearing turbos...

Cheers,

Pat.

(wannabe Nutter)

Firefox
8th September 2000, 11:28
Pat,

The Rigoli car runs a t06...aka bucket turbo.. lol

As for the HKS kit, it wont work on Imprezers setup.

He is running equal length headers with no uppipe join. The HKS kit is designed to replace the uppipe with its own and its new flange..

Hence it is designed to be used with the stock headers (sort of)

J.

pat
8th September 2000, 11:38
Yo J!

yeah, Rogoli car is a "no holds barred turbo nutter basú%*&" car, I guess they don't really care about the turbo lag from the 06 :)

Point taken about Imprezer's manifold, I hadn't seen it and assumed it was like the PE robot welded one (HKS?) which still requires an up-pipe... Still, with judicious use of angle grinder, 40lb hammer and a TIG welder it could be made to fit :)

Cheers,

Pat.

Firefox
8th September 2000, 12:43
Pat me ol' mucker...

It does still have an up-pipe and the turbo is located in the same place.

But its up-pipe is a different design to the stock pipe (has a flex link, with no joint).

But yes.... the tools of the modern day can work wonders.. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif


J.

Macca
8th September 2000, 13:01
That wouldn't be an American backing an American product would it "imprezer"? I have on several occasions looked at the Garret vs IHI product. I have to say that the finish on the Garret is Agricultural compared to the IHI stuff, the (normal)IHI stuff is great and most people wont have a problem with it.I just think that I am asking a little too much from it. I will post the board when I make my choice, I am leaning towards the RX-6 though...

Firefox
8th September 2000, 14:16
I dont want to start anything..

But I agree with Macca..

Over the years, the quality of Garrett have dropped.

Yes, they do seem to be innovators and invest more in new technologies...

But I do think that IHI produce better quality turbos.. its just that we abuse the IHI ones, beyond their design limits. This is probably due to the poor availability of models and the lack of information available for them.

J.

sunilp
8th September 2000, 18:35
so what is a VF29 exactly then and where does it fit into the VF family range?

S

Matt Porritt
9th September 2000, 00:16
I wouldn't go as far to say the quality of garret has dropeed.. I'd say that everything else has come up to par.

Whats wrong with the ol' TO3/04 hybrids?? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Imprezer
9th September 2000, 08:16
Haha, I am russian living in America.

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Hodge
15th September 2000, 17:10
VF22's can last if you're nice to them.
Mine was OE fit and the car has now covered over 21k miles - including track use, and holds 1.3bar.

Initially the car was quite laggy (nothing until 4k rpm) but several mods later and it's quite liveable (i.e. it's possible to achieve max boost of 1.3 bar at 3500rpm).

Thinking about it I've probably just tempted fate and it'll blow up at the next opportunity...

Hodge