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NVS-99
18th December 2013, 22:44
Well the plans for the 2014 WTAC are already underway. The dates have been announced and are 17/18th Oct.
It would be great to see some interest from some of the UK cars to come over and take on us Aussies.
http://www.worldtimeattack.com/index.php/2014-wtac-dates-announced/

Especially after the performance of the English cricket team in the Ashes :) ( just had to add that 1 ;) ).

I personally would love to see Gobstopper 1 or 2, AndyF's weapon, Paul from ZEN, Simon with the JGM or any of the big hp UK cars come over and have a run and there are a few rumours that some others have already expressed an interest.

We will be out to make amends for our disappointing efforts of this year and I have already employed Andrew Brilliant to help with the Aero on my car and we are confident that our gearbox issues will be a distant memory ;).

We are also converting my car to a 2 door with the help of ABW's widebody 22B kit so 2014 will be a big year.

Nev

toffee
18th December 2013, 23:49
Sounds great bud, god luck getting the car ready hope it all goes well.

BIG FUD
19th December 2013, 12:56
Lee start saving ya air miles ) cheaper to buy a car there lol

stevebt
19th December 2013, 14:26
Aye get saving Lee as im sure Steven wont mind you paying for him to be there with you for support

toffee
19th December 2013, 20:11
^^^^ lmao I only said good luck I never mentioned going.... however now you mention it, I am trying my best to get to this event and Pikes Peak :D volunteers help needed ;)

BIG FUD
19th December 2013, 20:46
Be great to see you there lee.

I can only dream.

Stick
19th December 2013, 21:05
I can offer a help/donation of 10. If a few chip in it'll pay the fuel bill for a few laps LOL

Get yourself over Lee and show that how to go on,

toffee
19th December 2013, 23:10
:D hopefully one day!!

I have been reading the regs and there is one rule that seems a bit unfair? there is a rule about a minimum weight, for all classes the rule is you car can only be 5%, 10% or 15% lighter (depending on class) than the OE list weight, so then they list the weights the cars can be. My GDB model has to run about 60kg more weight than an Evo 7, 8 or 9. Thats a hell of a disadvantage right there! A bit of a weird rule really, you would think it would be xxxxkg in the 4wd class regardless of which car?

Paul@Zen
21st January 2014, 18:48
Your Spec C lightweight GDB?

johnfelstead
21st January 2014, 19:49
MY06 Spec C was a kerb weight of 1390Kg.

toffee
21st January 2014, 22:40
The list states they have listed the lightest model for each car, 1,390 sounds a bit heavy!!

johnfelstead
22nd January 2014, 01:01
That's what the MY06 JDM STi Spec C was in 17" wheel version with the brembo brakes.

Paul@Zen
22nd January 2014, 10:15
Sounds reasonable to me around 80kg lighter.

toffee
22nd January 2014, 16:15
hope this comes out ok?

Make Model Weight Clubsprint Open ProAM Pro
BMW E36 1,460 1387 1241 1168 1168
Chevrolet Corvette C5 ZO6 1,413 1342.35 1201.05 1130.4 1130.4
Daihatsu Charade 740 703 629 592 592
Holden Astra 1,120 1,064 952 896 896
Holden VL Commodore 1,250 1187.5 1062.5 1000 1000
Honda Civic 1,060 1007 901 848 848
Honda CRX 886 841.7 753.1 708.8 708.8
Honda DC5R 1,180 1121 1003 944 944
Honda NSX 1,274 1210.3 1082.9 1019.2 1019.2
Honda Integra 1060 1007 901 841 841
Honda NSX 1,274 1210.3 1082.9 1019.2 1019.2
Honda S2000 1250 1187.5 1062.5 1000 1000
Lexus ISF 1,735 1648.25 1474.75 1388 1388
Lotus Exige 914 868.3 776.9 731.2 731.2
Lotus Elise 860 817 731 688 688
Mazda RX8 1,309 1243.55 1112.65 1047.2 1047.2
Mazda NC MX5 1,110 1054.5 943.5 888 888
Mazda NB MX5 1,065 1011.75 905.25 852 852
Mazda NAMX5 940 893 799 752 752
Mazda FC RX7 1,190 1130.5 1011.5 952 952
Mazda FD RX7 1,150 1092.5 977.5 920 920
Mazda FB/SA RX7 1,000 950 850 800 800
Mercedes C63 1779 1690.05 1512.15 1423.2 1423.2
Mitsubishi Colt 1,074 1020.3 912.9 859.2 859.2
Mitsubishi Eclipse 1,305 1239.75 1109.25 1044 1044
Mitsubishi Evolution 5 1,260 1197 1071 1008 1008
Mitsubishi Evolution 6 1,260 1197 1071 1008 1008
Mitsubishi Evolution 6.5 1,260 1197 1071 1008 1008
Mitsubishi Evolution 7 1,320 1254 1122 1056 1056
Mitsubishi Evolution 8 1,320 1254 1122 1056 1056
Mitsubishi Evolution 9 1,310 1244.5 1113.5 1048 1048
Mitsubishi Evolution X 1,420 1349 1207 1136 1136
Nissan 180SX 1225 1163.75 1041.25 980 980
Nissan 240Z 1,068 1014.6 907.8 854.4 854.4
Nissan 260Z 1111 1055.45 944.35 888.8 888.8
Nissan Bluebird 1070 1016.5 909.5 856 856
Nissan R31 Skyline 1310 1244.5 1113.5 1048 1048
Nissan R32 GTR 1,430 1358.5 1215.5 1144 1144
Nissan R33 GTR 1540 1463 1309 1232 1232
Nissan R33 GTST 1,390 1320.5 1181.5 1112 1112
Nissan R34 GTR 1,536 1459.2 1305.6 1228.8 1228.8
Nissan R35 GTR 1,740 1653 1479 1392 1392
Nissan S13 Silvia 1224 1162.8 1040.4 979.2 979.2
Nissan S14 Silvia 1253 1190.35 1065.05 1002.4 1002.4
Nissan S15 Silvia 1253 1190.35 1065.05 1002.4 1002.4
Porsche Porsche 944 1180 1121 1003 944 944
Subaru BRZ 1,190 1130.5 1011.5 952 952
Subaru WRX GC8 1240 1178 1054 992 992
Subaru WRX GD 1,390 1320.5 1181.5 1112 1112
Subaru WRX GE 1,394 1324.3 1184.9 1115.2 1115.2
Toyota FT86 1,190 1130.5 1011.5 952 952
Toyota Supra 1,460 1387 1241 1168 1168

toffee
22nd January 2014, 16:16
Evo 9 = 1048kg
Scoob GDB = 1112kg

64kg difference

Paul@Zen
22nd January 2014, 16:54
Those EVO Weights are BS.

Paul@Zen
22nd January 2014, 17:11
If we are looking at the lightest weights then a 2007 WRX is lighter than listed, and a 2.0i model is just 1310kg.

If the EVOs are using the lightest weights in the range world wide then I don't see why you cant do the same with an impreza!

This rule is somewhat flawed.

Paul@Zen
22nd January 2014, 17:34
http://www.goo-net-exchange.com/catalog/SUBARU__IMPREZA/10034661/

Subaru Impreza STI Spec C - 1350kg.

This is the edition which is more comparable to the EVO RS versions as they have steel wheels and small brakes intended to be removed on cars that are turned into group N cars.

Paul@Zen
22nd January 2014, 17:37
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1084866

johnfelstead
22nd January 2014, 20:50
How are they working this, do they use the model number off the vin plate for your car?

Obviously your car is one of the heavier models in the GD range, but looking at that listing they don't break down the GD's into their model years in the same way the EVO's are split with their versions.

If it's just the lightest GD version you can use as a base, then the lightest will be the MY02 WRX STi Spec C Type RA, but that's a bugeye.

If they were doing the same as the EVO's then you would have separate car classes and weights for each model year Subaru, as the EVO7,8,9 are basically the same car with a model year change.

toffee
22nd January 2014, 23:14
Hopefully this helps clarify that bit more >

3. MINIMUM VEHICLE WEIGHTS
Minimum weight will be deemed to include all liquid tanks at normal levels and with a maximum of 5 litres of fuel. All weights are without driver. Al vehicle weights must be based of a "production vehicle status" and not a "factory special" with a minimum of 500 of the vehicle produced worldwide

Here are the Pro rules, I would have been looking to enter Pro-Am which shares the same rules >
Pro:
Minimum weight for Pro Class will be determined by the manufacturer's original specifications for the lightest version of that particular model of vehicle, minus 20%. Eg. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 not merely Mitsubishi Lancer.

Could be quicker to paste all the rules?? :D

5. AERODYNAMIC AIDS

All aerodynamic additions must be within the body parameters outlined for the relevant vehicle class.

Strength and method of aero component fastening will be checked thoroughly at scrutineering and if found to be unsuitable the vehicle will not be permitted to start until improvements are made to meet approval of the chief scrutineer.

Active aero includes hydraulically or electronically actuated or movable components are not permitted in any class.

All measurements have a tolerance of +/-3mm to allow for inaccuracy of hand measurement and thermal expansion.
Pro:

Front under tray/splitter may extend up to 300mm forward of the vehicles bodywork.

Front appendages may not be fitted higher than the bonnet. Front/rear winglets/canards cannot extend more than 300mm per side past the splitter/under-tray maximum overhang. End plates are measured separately with a maximum thickness of 10mm.

Rear wing assembly design is free and may extend up to 150mm per side wider than the original coachwork in front view and above the horizontal line from the highest point of the roof. End plates are measured separately with a maximum thickness of 10mm.

Rear diffuser/under tray may extend 300mm rearward beyond the furthest point of the vehicles bodywork.

Flat floors are permitted in Pro class. The flat floor is not permitted to be part of the structural monocoque. Mechanical force is not permitted to be used with the design of the floor

johnfelstead
22nd January 2014, 23:39
They wouldn't have made 500 16" spec c versions, so you are stuck with the 1390kg start weight if they use the MY of your car.

Paul@Zen
23rd January 2014, 11:43
A regular WRX is 1360

Paul@Zen
23rd January 2014, 11:45
I would also question whether 500 or not of that 1350kg specced version were made, as they were punted out worldwide for turning into rally cars and I would bet that there was demand enough for 500, although many would have just been made from the regular showroom version.

johnfelstead
23rd January 2014, 13:07
WRX is a different model type so cant be used as reference for an STi

Paul@Zen
23rd January 2014, 13:38
Says who?

johnfelstead
23rd January 2014, 15:28
The rules Lee posted.

toffee
23rd January 2014, 16:25
I would go with our interpratation of the rules until someone says otherwise ;) the 1350kg car would reduce the minimum weight by 8kg which is not to be sniffed at.

Paul@Zen
23rd January 2014, 17:07
48kg!

johnfelstead
23rd January 2014, 18:04
It would be wise to seek clarification Lee. You would not benefit from testing the car at one weight only to find when you got there you had to find 50Kg of ballast and securely install that, changing all your setup requirements.

The rule that suggests you cant use the WRX weight is this one "Minimum weight for Pro Class will be determined by the manufacturer's original specifications for the lightest version of that particular model of vehicle, minus 20%. Eg. Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 9 not merely Mitsubishi Lancer.

That suggests you cant use a different model to the one the car is based on, even if from the same family of car, and with the WRX and STi having significant weight differences from the gearbox, brakes and wheels, it does suggest you would fall foul of that rule.

toffee
24th January 2014, 21:38
Cheers for this guys, for now were getting some work carried out on the car which i am hoping will improve it, this will only be confirmed once its running. I have a couple of offers of help on the table if we were to go to Oz, but personally I believe we will be better prepared for 2015……… we shall see.

NVS-99
2nd February 2014, 13:32
The easiest way to clarify this is to contact Ian Baker who runs WTAC.
He will give you an answer straight up.

Would be great to see you come down and have a run. I will give you a heads up though you will need a big budget to compete in Pro-Am as the front cars in that class are all purpose built T/A cars and the PMQ Evo that won last year also set their fastest lap with just 2wd. This year that car will run 1.26 or quicker.

We are aiming to be the 1st open class car to run sub 1.30 this year and will be taking the fight for class honours to the GTR :)

toffee
3rd February 2014, 00:25
Cheers for that dude, I would have to enter Pro Am purely because of car spec. I would not be going over there thinking we could win first time out? just like Zandvoort I would be going to have fun, have a new experience and build on the experience we are already getting. As the years go by I hope to keep climbing higher and higher up the ladder!! ;)

I have already had a chat with Ian, I just need a few things to fall right for us before committing to an entry.

Cheers,
Lee.

NVS-99
3rd February 2014, 00:44
Lee if you do come let me know and I will make it easier for you as far as what spares etc to bring. We run 2 cars there so tools etc are covered ;)

I am keen to have you guys here as there is only 4 Subaru's currently and its about time we had some more.

We are making some big changes to my car this year with the addition of one of ABW's 2 door widebody conversion kits,
carbon roof, custom wiring loom, electric power steering unit and some new aero which will be designed by Andrew Brilliant.

The aero this year will make the biggest difference for us and I am really looking forward to getting to Sydney and showing what we could have done last year ;)

toffee
3rd February 2014, 19:57
:cool: thats a great offer and really appreciated dude, I have looked at the travelling costs and taking the car on deck on a trailer is a lot cheaper than by container, but with the tools and spares needed I think the container is needed? if we can at some point find someone else to go with and share the cost of a large container it would help.

If its looking like we can get over there I will get in touch with you so we can hopefully work together and make it mutually beneficial ;)

Cheers,
lee.

NVS-99
4th February 2014, 01:30
I'm actually coming over a few days in July
So maybe we can catch up then ;)

toffee
4th February 2014, 20:46
I'm actually coming over a few days in July
So maybe we can catch up then ;)

drop us a pm so we can catch up dude, been looking at flights to Oz already :D

SW_Motorsports
9th February 2014, 20:58
Lee give us a bell when u get chance I can help with a container one of my hire drivers owns a shipping company.

toffee
9th February 2014, 21:21
Lee give us a bell when u get chance I can help with a container one of my hire drivers owns a shipping company.

this is "THE ONLY THING" I am struggling with at present, once shipping costs are covered we are DEFINITELY going, someone else is actually trying to help, but nothing confirmed as yet. Will call you tomorrow mate ;)

NVS-99
10th February 2014, 12:27
Excellent news Lee cant wait to see your car here ;)

Do yourself a favour and find someone with a proper motorsport simulator and set it up as a Porsche cup car and do as many laps as you can before you come.