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Steven
12th January 2011, 22:16
I am in the process of getting a Tubular rear Subframe made.

I dont have specifics yet, as i want to test it first, but it should allow for some good essential alteration of the diff mounts and pickup arms.

I dont know pricing yet, but i will be trying to make it as sensible as possible.

Could people interested please list your names.

Steven

John Stevenson
12th January 2011, 22:19
T'me

Simon_
12th January 2011, 22:22
John Stevenson
Simon

Andy STi V3
12th January 2011, 22:28
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3

Mike L
12th January 2011, 23:08
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L

Andy.F
13th January 2011, 08:58
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F

Fai17
13th January 2011, 15:43
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17

Depending on price and what about a front cradle?

PS-06
13th January 2011, 20:06
Steven is this some what the same as Wrxbart was showing in his project topic not so long ago?

David_Wallis
13th January 2011, 20:10
yep

PS-06
13th January 2011, 20:22
Thanks David,

But offcourse we do need to know the weight saving ;)

John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank

Depending on price!!!

Steven
13th January 2011, 21:11
Price i dont know at the moment, but it will be cheaper than the wrc/grp n/mis version otherwise its a no goer.

It WILL be lighter than the OEM item

It will come in two options.

A) Rear diff carrier only - This allows you to match up to the OEM T Bar OR match up to the cage supports like on John Stevensons car (pics if you could John)

B) As above, but with a diagonal replacement bar to replace the T bar.

The diff carrier element will come with a diff carrying plate than can be moved between OEM position, Diff +circa 40mm higher and differ + circa 70mm higher.

The different heights, will allow for the different drive shaft angles between hubs and diff dependant on ride height.

This is something we suffered from greatly last year. Even with up rated drive shafts, the Banana was breaking CV joints, and this was due to prolonged use at maximum angle, creating massive heat build up, to the extent that the ball bearings welded themselves to the CV Cup, or were hot enough after a run, to burn through a LOT of plastic!!

I aint going through another year of that. Hence the diff carrier design.

Peter, front cradle is another level and for another year.

PS-06
13th January 2011, 21:29
Steven your still using OEM CV's on the Banana,or complete uprated driveshafts

Steven
13th January 2011, 21:33
oem cv's

The angles and speeds create too much heat.

PS-06
13th January 2011, 21:48
End this month I'm gone work on complete uprated driveshaft,this is gone be with the same company which made last years axels. Maybe this will solve your problems

paul doyle
13th January 2011, 22:50
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle

The canadian developed one is around 7kg lighter than the stock one and i've had my eye on it for some time but cant afford the $2000 price tag!!

will yours be in chromoly Steven?

Frank, I'm intrested in an uprated CV too as I suffered similar failures to the banana with rear shafts last year..

wrxbart
13th January 2011, 23:12
Looked into having these made off a copy of mine just not got the time, so glad someone else is. Mine can only be used with Rose jointed lateral arms? Will yours be made to fit orig arms?

Steven
14th January 2011, 06:00
Paul, yes Chromoly.

Rob, yes, designed for oem sized arms.

Mr J
14th January 2011, 08:39
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K

PS-06
14th January 2011, 09:26
Frank, I'm intrested in an uprated CV too as I suffered similar failures to the banana with rear shafts last year.. When the time is there,I'll post the details on here

Mr J
14th January 2011, 10:25
+1 for uprated CV

MarkA
14th January 2011, 21:29
Also interested
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A

spd(john)
15th January 2011, 18:31
Also interested
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies

Fai17
15th January 2011, 21:52
Originally posted by Mr J:
+1 for uprated CV +1 for uprated rear shaft and cv

Andy Hughes
21st January 2011, 20:52
Also interested
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes

scooby2nr
22nd January 2011, 09:30
Also interested
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr

Ciaranrb5
24th January 2011, 11:31
Icon 1 posted 22 January, 2011 09:30 AM Profile for scooby2nr Email scooby2nr Send New Private Message Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote Also interested
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5

WUZ
25th January 2011, 08:01
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ

Justin A
25th January 2011, 11:15
Is this mod OK for MSA road going production class?

John Stevenson
25th January 2011, 12:21
No Spherical joints allowed in Road Prod.

---john---

Justin A
25th January 2011, 16:21
I wondered if the design for OE arms would be OK?

wrighty
28th January 2011, 13:52
what are the main advantages to running one of these?

wrxbart
28th January 2011, 15:05
lighter is the mail one and you can alter the arm heights if running realy low. Well you can on mine anyway so i'am sure steven will do on this.

wrxbart
28th January 2011, 23:03
If you are raising the diff height? What about prop to tunnel clearance? As if running a single piece carbon prop you can't go that much higher. With stock prop you might because of the centre bearing being lower? Just thought as just done this on mine tonight.

Andy.F
29th January 2011, 10:29
Nothing that a plasma torch doesn't sort in 2 minutes :D

wrxbart
29th January 2011, 12:16
lol

Simmie
30th January 2011, 21:30
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ
Simmie

depending on costs & affordability at the time

TrackScotland
31st January 2011, 20:41
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ
Simmie
Adam K

dbrad
10th February 2011, 16:17
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ
Simmie
Adam K
dbrad

Mr J
11th March 2011, 14:01
Steven any news :D

Steven
11th March 2011, 14:08
First one still in progress. Will be tested soon.

spd(john)
11th March 2011, 20:40
Originally posted by Steven:
First one still in progress. Will be tested soon. Hi Steven,

Any info on what the wieght will come in at yet,

Dai

www.spdevelopments.webs.com (http://www.spdevelopments.webs.com)

Mr J
14th March 2011, 07:40
Super smile.gif

/Jan

Fai17
14th March 2011, 09:35
Originally posted by Steven:
First one still in progress. Will be tested soon. Cool

Looking forward to getting one for my new project. Trying to see how light a blob can be.

Simon_
14th March 2011, 12:40
Is plan to keep standard wishbone mounting point locations?

Steven
14th March 2011, 13:03
I assume you mean lateral links Simon?

Daz-22B
15th March 2011, 23:24
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ
Simmie
Adam K
dbrad
Daz-22B

If price is right, without Tbar option for me

John Stevenson
15th March 2011, 23:40
And get the finger out, it's mid point in March ;)

Daz-22B
28th March 2011, 20:53
Any update on this ?

niall1
2nd June 2011, 10:57
FYI below re front and rear tubular subframes.
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1439367&highlight=22b&page=19
BTW you can add me to the list.

spd(john)
9th December 2011, 21:41
Steven,

Did you get any where with these.!!!!

Steven
9th December 2011, 21:51
Yes, but i am still not happy with the design, so we are making some tweaks.

gussy
20th December 2011, 08:18
Steven mine arrived from the states yesterday I'm going to get some detailed photo's and measurements if it will help in your design.

Bigmiller
12th January 2012, 21:48
Is this still going ahead??

Are there any more details of price or weight saving or options...

and is it too late to get a name on the list?

sorry for all the questions smile.gif

PS-06
12th January 2012, 22:04
Totally forgot about these, I need to step down on these, will not be up to the task anymore!!

Ciaranrb5
14th January 2012, 05:28
Originally posted by PS-06:
Totally forgot about these, I need to step down on these, will not be up to the task anymore!! Not be up to the task :confused: mad Dutch men tongue.gif

Steven
14th January 2012, 08:57
Its still going ahead. Just taking longer than thought.

p555sbr
15th January 2012, 14:30
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ
Simmie
Adam K
dbrad
Daz-22B
p555sbr

If price is right,

shawy1976
15th January 2012, 18:01
John Stevenson
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ
Simmie
Adam K
dbrad
Daz-22B
p555sbr
Shawy

scooby2nr
16th January 2012, 10:10
Originally posted by Steven:
Its still going ahead. Just taking longer than thought. how long we thinking steven? estimate is fine ;)

niall1
16th January 2012, 10:28
Simon
Andy STi V3
Mike L
Andy.F
Fai17
Frank
Paul Doyle
Jan K
Mark A
Dai Davies
Andy Hughes
scooby2nr
Ciaranrb5
WUZ
Simmie
Adam K
dbrad
Daz-22B
p555sbr
Shawy
Niall1

Steven
16th January 2012, 10:31
Now autosport is out of the way. He should be back on it. With one going on banana by mid february.

In between last year and now we have made a lightweight solid gearbox cradle. The effect this had on the Banana was great. It stiffened the diagonal properties quite a bit, weighs less than 50% of original cradle and mount and stops the box flapping about like an idiot.

Arch
16th January 2012, 10:35
Gearbox cradle for me Steven if its possible to have completed by end of feb.

scooby2nr
16th January 2012, 11:43
cradle as well for me. sounds good.

shawy1976
16th January 2012, 18:55
Yeah i,ll have the gearbox cradle aswell please steven as i,ve ditched my pitch mount ..

wrxbart
16th January 2012, 19:42
Sounds good to me for gearbox cradle what sort of price?

Simon_
16th January 2012, 19:55
cradle too please

WUZ
16th January 2012, 20:10
Une Cradle pour moi aussi :D

Russell

Matt R
16th January 2012, 20:11
Interested in a cradle too steven

Mike L
16th January 2012, 20:15
Cradle for me too smile.gif

Simon_
16th January 2012, 20:19
Originally posted by Matt R:
Interested in a cuddle too steven :eek: :omg: ;)

Steven
16th January 2012, 20:32
Crikey, wasnt expecting that!

Gearbox cradle is around the 300 mark, as its quite time consuming to make.

Would have to weigh it again, but OEM cradle and Group N mount is something like 7.5kg combined. This one weighed 3.1kg.

I must stress though, it is a solid design, so you hear everything, for example on the Banana, you hear the gearbox with the car just idling!

This is the one fitted to the Banana. Production one is slightly different near downpipe area.

http://www.sdmotorsport.co.uk/uploads/sdmgearboxcradle.jpg

Andy.F
16th January 2012, 20:46
Originally posted by Steven:

I must stress though, it is a solid design, so you hear everything, for example on the Banana, you hear the gearbox with the car just idling!
Yea but thats one noisy mo-fo of a gearbox!! My 5 spd dogbox was much quieter, even on a solid mount. This one sounds like its munching nuts and bolts at idle!

PS-06
16th January 2012, 21:14
Good looking cradle Steven

James B
16th January 2012, 21:26
Steven,

That' cradle's a cracking looking bit of kit.

Stick me down for one of them too please.

Cheers

James

Simon_
16th January 2012, 21:30
Originally posted by Andy.F:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Steven:

I must stress though, it is a solid design, so you hear everything, for example on the Banana, you hear the gearbox with the car just idling!
Yea but thats one noisy mo-fo of a gearbox!! My 5 spd dogbox was much quieter, even on a solid mount. This one sounds like its munching nuts and bolts at idle! </font>[/QUOTE]I have a nice quiet one here if you wanna swap?

MAD Hammer
16th January 2012, 21:35
Would like one of them

dunc
17th January 2012, 11:48
Cradle here please. So thats 3 for Aberdeen smile.gif

MarkA
17th January 2012, 12:59
Please can you stop this Steven? I can't keep up and my wish list keeps growing.

Mark

Would it make sense to make gearbox and diff cradle in one, like a mini space frame?

Arch
17th January 2012, 13:14
Think you would have bars running backwards that were not needed which would add unnecessary weight.

dbrad
17th January 2012, 13:53
Cradle for me too please.

Ciaranrb5
17th January 2012, 16:58
One for near Aberdeen as well :D

shawy1976
17th January 2012, 19:55
Oh yes please will they fit a 5 speed ? ifso 100% .

spd(john)
17th January 2012, 20:52
Gearbox cradle for me as well please 6spd, (is there any differance by the way), will be able to give it a full test on the I.O.M. and France.

Cheers,

John

Steven
17th January 2012, 21:29
Yes they will fit 5 Speed, no difference between the two.

Steven
20th January 2012, 09:36
Latest version od rear subframe is being made as i type.

dunc
20th January 2012, 10:42
Steven - I need 3 gearbox cradles.
So for Aberdeen:-
Wuz x1
James B x1
Duncan x3

And if Ciaran wants his sent here that would be 6 in total smile.gif

What price is the rear subframe likely to be??

allsop83
20th January 2012, 12:40
Make that 4 Dunc ;)

Simmie
22nd January 2012, 00:49
Dunc is ordering my cradle for me (one of the 3) but can I have mine ready to powder coat as I have other frame under the car done green already, what will the cost difference be.
Cheers

Simmie
22nd January 2012, 00:59
Hi Steven
I have a h brace under the front of my car, can it still be fitted with you gearbox cradle fitted?.
Cheers Simmie

Simmie
22nd January 2012, 01:01
Flamin iphone again

[ 22. January 2012, 11:29 PM: Message edited by: Simmie ]

Steven
22nd January 2012, 09:39
Does the front of h brace bolt to the front sub frame and the rear bolt to the chassis via one of the bolts holding the bush for the whishbone?

Arch
22nd January 2012, 09:49
Steven from memeory it picks up at the rear on one of the chassis bolts for the anti lift kit and then at the front bolts to the rear face of the wish bone front mount - think that makes sense if not I know what i mean ;)

Steven
22nd January 2012, 10:53
In that case it should fit.

dunc
22nd January 2012, 17:35
Originally posted by allsop83:
Make that 4 Dunc ;) The 3 is me you and simmie.

allsop83
23rd January 2012, 12:31
Ah- already sorting me out.... smile.gif Gentleman!

Ciaranrb5
23rd January 2012, 13:20
Originally posted by dunc:
Steven - I need 3 gearbox cradles.
So for Aberdeen:-
Wuz x1
James B x1
Duncan x3

And if Ciaran wants his sent here that would be 6 in total smile.gif

What price is the rear subframe likely to be?? Yes just send mine to Aberdeen

dunc
23rd January 2012, 17:00
OK so thats 6 Gearbox cradles for Aberdeen
1 does not require painting / powder coating as he "want's his own colour".

And depending on price of the rear sub frame we may need some of them too ;)

CraigRA
23rd January 2012, 18:12
Stick me down for 1 too please for edinburgh

Pm me payment details.

Thanks

Steven
23rd January 2012, 18:15
I will start another thread shortly, with compiled names for each, as this has got a bit messy.

The final jig for the rear subframe is being made at present, so nearly there.

Steven

Simon_
23rd January 2012, 19:27
Sounds good to me

Simmie
23rd January 2012, 23:29
Dunc, When the new topic starts on the gearbox cradles starts just put yersel down for 6 to keep it easy up here.

Simmie
23rd January 2012, 23:30
Dunc, When the new topic starts on the gearbox cradles starts just put yersel down for 6 to keep it easy up here.

Simmie
24th January 2012, 05:34
Dunc, When the new topic starts on the gearbox cradles starts just put yersel down for 6 to keep it easy up here.

Simmie
24th January 2012, 05:34
Dunc, When the new topic starts on the gearbox cradles starts just put yersel down for 6 to keep it easy up here.

James B
24th January 2012, 08:27
Simmie,

I reckon he heard you the first time....

:D

Ciaranrb5
24th January 2012, 14:44
Wow iv seen double and even treble posts but never a QUADrupal tongue.gif

dunc
24th January 2012, 16:05
I think he was making sure I listen this time..... He was not happy when I didn't respond to a text he sent me recently.
If only he'd not sent it to my old mobile number from 2 years ago!! LOL

Simmie
24th January 2012, 22:56
Ffs, See this feckin Iphone lol

johnybon
17th February 2012, 14:00
Is there any chance I could have one if it fits a 6 speed or are you keeping them all up north lol
I would be interested in the rear sub and a front sub if you make one thanks john

Bizz
17th February 2012, 15:18
Was the price for the rear subframe ever posted?

Bigmiller
7th March 2012, 09:32
Anyone have any updates on this??

Steven
7th March 2012, 10:12
Yes, had one test fitted to a car at the weekend, and its just gone back for a tweek, and an adjustment to the jig. We have hit loads of issues, having looked at all the various designs etc that are out there, we were left puzzled as to how they fitted yet achieved what they claimed. One of the key issues to get round was the impact of raising the diff, and how that affected where the tubes ran. We came to the conclusion that the diff position on the other designs, must remain in the standard position or the strength of the cradle is weaker than it should be.

Price as yet, not certain.

Will add some pictures of the test cradle later.

Steven
8th March 2012, 12:04
Couple of pictures of the Mock up frame. Note there is a brace part from the front not in the picture. Hopefully give you an idea of progress.

Steven

MarkA
8th March 2012, 12:19
Oh pretty and shiny!

Fai17
8th March 2012, 20:09
Very nice

PS-06
8th March 2012, 20:54
Compliments Steven, but for some reason I think there must be an easy way of milling a piece that can slight up and down in somekind of slot. Hope this makes sence;)

shawy1976
8th March 2012, 21:04
Steven are the gearbox cradles available yet .

Steven
8th March 2012, 21:41
Yes Neil. Although I will be doing them in batches of 5 as I think I am stressing the fabricator out!

Will try do thread tomorrow

Andy Hughes
8th March 2012, 21:44
Put me down for one of these pls Steven for a 2 door mate

Simon_
8th March 2012, 22:06
Yes Neil. Although I will be doing them in batches of 5 as I think I am stressing the fabricator out!

Will try do thread tomorrow

had me lol that

scooby2nr
9th March 2012, 06:43
Definatly wanting one of these and the gearbox cradle

wrighty338
9th March 2012, 16:30
These are looking really nice :)

dunc
9th March 2012, 21:28
Yes Neil. Although I will be doing them in batches of 5 as I think I am stressing the fabricator out!

Will try do thread tomorrow

LOL

Cool. I will need a batch for Aberdeen. I'll double checj numbers again and get back to you :)

Ciaranrb5
10th March 2012, 14:00
LOL

Cool. I will need a batch for Aberdeen. I'll double checj numbers again and get back to you :)

I am still in for both Dunc

braveheart
20th March 2012, 06:21
I would like both Steven can you pm me details

Mr J
8th April 2012, 08:57
Stil want one and can take a gearbox cradle as well :)

/Jan

Gyver
23rd April 2012, 21:30
Can i use a hawkeye diff on this cradle and will the cradle mountingpoints fit a classic?

If so, put me down on the list for one and also a gearbox cradle.

Just send a pm Steven with details.

Regards,
David

Simon_
23rd April 2012, 22:05
Hawk diff is same fitment and any diff

So yes

Gyver
23rd April 2012, 22:46
Thanks Simon,

This setup should hopefully clear the low rideheight related problems that might occur.

Bigmiller
28th May 2012, 14:53
are these available yet?

cheers
Ian

Steven
28th May 2012, 17:43
Not yet, tearing my hair out tbh!

eggy790
7th July 2012, 12:32
any update

Steven
7th July 2012, 16:31
First of the final design is on the Banana now, and will be tested shortly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387209921337591&set=a.298259760232608.71146.296150037110247&type=3&theater

wrxbart
8th July 2012, 17:48
Looking good mate

Simon_
8th July 2012, 17:54
V nice :)

Octanejunky
13th July 2012, 12:16
These look class! Well priced too.

Steven
31st July 2012, 10:51
First testing phase passed at the weekend, second testing phase coming up this weekend.

dbrad
31st July 2012, 11:30
:)

Simon_
31st July 2012, 12:27
:)

Looked awesome

PS-06
31st July 2012, 12:29
Looked from up close it looked really good, and light weight offcourse;)

paul doyle
8th August 2012, 22:17
hmmm.....bling....nice....still interested in one of the first batch of these Steven....would also be interested in understanding the additional cost (and estimated additional weight saving) of the T45 option

Steven
8th August 2012, 22:20
First orders have/are going in now. Due to a further change in design, we have saved a further 1.5kg. T45, will have to work out potential saving, but cost will be more. Let me know if you want me to price that up Paul.

John Stevenson
8th August 2012, 22:28
Should I wait in for the Postie tomorrow ;) ?

paul doyle
8th August 2012, 22:41
OK, so just for clarity Steven, the latest design is a further 1.5kg lighter than the development unit which is 3kg lighter than the factory subframe......making your final production piece around 4.5kg lighter than the factory subframe? did i understand that correct

I would also like to understand the additional cost/weight reduction of the unit in T45 but I'm not in a mega rush, mine wouldn't be fitted until November anyhow

MarkA
8th August 2012, 22:44
Hi Steven

Did you update the price for both the cradle and diff mount? Interested in both but not for a little while.

Steven
9th August 2012, 09:33
Yes Paul, thats correct. I will price up and check out the T45 one.

Mark, gearbox cradles are bow 400 + vat powder coated and delivered, rear subframe is coming in at 1000 + VAT powder coated and delivered.

Steven

Banny
9th August 2012, 09:40
What is the main benefit of the gearbox cradle aside from weight saving?

Steven
9th August 2012, 11:07
It raises the diff height, giving better drive shaft angles, especially on lowered cars and high power cars. It also allows the choice of rear roll centre position, to further fine tune the handling.

Fai17
10th August 2012, 21:06
I think Banny was asking about the gearbox cradle Steven.

Steven
10th August 2012, 21:40
Sorry, yes, my bad. Gearbox cradle was designed to stop the box moving full stop. One of the major plus sides of those that have fitted it, have noticed a huge improvement in gear selection. In addition it also increases the diagonal rigidity of the chasis.

John Stevenson
10th August 2012, 21:50
In addition it also increases the diagonal rigidity of the chasis.

I'll let you know, was fitted two nights ago ;) Call me a Cinic ;)

Had to modify Exhaust to fit, but that had nothing to do with cradle. My Up-pipe/down pipe/Exhaust is a real Frankenstien Job !

shawy1976
10th August 2012, 21:51
The pitch fork has been ditched on my car , would a cradle help or is it too hardcore for a track/road car .

Steven
10th August 2012, 21:57
It well help Niel, not ideal for road cars, unless low mileage. Noise is noticeable.

Fully caged cars (weld in) wont see a major change in chasis rigidty.

Fai17
10th August 2012, 22:05
I'll let you know, was fitted two nights ago ;) Call me a Cinic ;)

Had to modify Exhaust to fit, but that had nothing to do with cradle. My Up-pipe/down pipe/Exhaust is a real Frankenstien Job !

You want a sponsor for your exhaust?

Banny
10th August 2012, 22:05
Might give it a go on the road :)

John Stevenson
10th August 2012, 22:10
You want a sponsor for your exhaust?

You know anyone any good at that stuff LOL ?

Fai17
10th August 2012, 22:18
You know anyone any good at that stuff LOL ?

Something to do meer and pussy :)

Andy.F
11th August 2012, 09:14
Now if it had been beer and pussy, he may have been up for it!

Fai17
11th August 2012, 09:19
Hence why he hasn't replied yet.

Arch
11th August 2012, 10:38
Peter PM with you

John Stevenson
14th August 2012, 18:50
Now if it had been beer and pussy, he may have been up for it!


Beer and Pussy..... Having a Homer Simpson Drool moment ;)

John Stevenson
14th August 2012, 18:57
Peter fully intend having this re-engineered in the winter, but would like to do Doune and Harewood in the meantime ;)
The Exhaust is a complete basket case of Amature Welding, and is made up variously from Alan Gs old stealth Exhaust, a bit of a copy of Andys headers that originally were on the car, which after many years faithfull service were removed (but still exist) ;) It also saw service for a short spell on John Banks car. in Rear exit form. It could however do with a Makeover, maybe some Gucci Inconel :D

Fai17
14th August 2012, 20:13
Fcukenhell inconel! Too expensive for that.

RA Dunk
14th August 2012, 20:32
Would either of these 'modifications ;)' make much of a difference in an MSA event like Sprinting or Hillclimbing? I mean If I wanted to enter road going class would I still be elligable(sp?) with these fitted to my car?

stephen a
14th August 2012, 20:46
Would either of these 'modifications ;)' make much of a difference in an MSA event like Sprinting or Hillclimbing? I mean If I wanted to enter road going class would I still be elligable(sp?) with these fitted to my car? dont see it as a prob tbh

John Stevenson
14th August 2012, 20:49
In theory you can't have Spherical joints on suspension in Road class. However I believe this was pretty much ignored this year in SSHC this year. Not sure what next year will bring.

You could fit the gearbox cradle no prob. You could also fit the rear subframe, but in 'theory' should retain the rubber bushed lateral and trailing links, though you could stiffen those up ;)

---john---

RA Dunk
14th August 2012, 20:54
So 'legally' it's a no go then. :(

John Stevenson
14th August 2012, 21:07
No, read what I wrote ! ;)

RA Dunk
14th August 2012, 21:29
Oky doky, Thought it better I ask first. :)

Arch
14th August 2012, 21:29
I would suspect if you turned up at an MSA event with a tubular rear subframe you would have a lot of questions asked. The standard subframe has a rubber bush fitted to the mounting points onto the chassis. Section 11.7.1 states "the suspension type and mountings must remain the same as that fitted by the vehicle manufacturer". Leave a lot of scope for your eligability scrutineer to say no. Section 11.7.6.1 states "bushes may be changed for similar polymer materials but not to sherical or or similar metal joints."

In my interpretation solid mounting the gearbox or rear subframe could be questioned.

Arch
14th August 2012, 21:31
But as John said looks like this year the blue book has been ignored to some degree, or maybe no one questioned it.

John Stevenson
15th August 2012, 00:36
My Subframe is solid mounted to the chassis, seems there are many out there and therefore policing near impossible

Arch
15th August 2012, 06:58
Your car has been in modifieds for a number of years tho.

stockcar
15th August 2012, 08:16
2doors and STi's always had solid bushes as std anyhows Arch...........

HI_JAC
15th August 2012, 19:48
In theory you can't have Spherical joints on suspension in Road class. However I believe this was pretty much ignored this year in SSHC this year. Not sure what next year will bring.

You could fit the gearbox cradle no prob. You could also fit the rear subframe, but in 'theory' should retain the rubber bushed lateral and trailing links, though you could stiffen those up ;)

---john---

When i questioned the rule of no spherical joints on suspension parts in road car class, i was told that the blue book states that fixed platform suspension
is allowed and spherical top mounts are a part of that suspension. Looks like you can have spherical joints on top mounts only :confused:

Gear box and cradle being solid mounted should be no prob as lots of classics and all newages are anyway.

Arch
15th August 2012, 22:28
Gearbox is not solid mounted there is a rubber mount on ALL series production cars.

niall1
26th October 2012, 16:29
First of the final design is on the Banana now, and will be tested shortly.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387209921337591&set=a.298259760232608.71146.296150037110247&type=3&theater

Hi Steven
Are these available to purchase now? I see a price quoted in a later post of 1kStg.
Thanks
Niall

Steven
26th October 2012, 17:05
Yes nial. They are 1k plus vat

Simmie
2nd August 2013, 21:24
Are these still available? does anyone know? I have pm'd & just waiting for a reply

Type22
2nd August 2013, 21:46
Are these still available? does anyone know? I have pm'd & just waiting for a reply

Yes they are, Steven will be along shortly no doubt and answer you PM

Steven
2nd August 2013, 23:39
Yes they are Simmie, drop me an email to steven @ sdmotorsport . co . uk