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dumped
11th July 2000, 22:34
It used to be cossie owners that over inflated their power claims but skyline owners take the biscuit. They seem to feel thier engines are able to beat the laws of physics.
Examples - Claim by Scottish bloke that reckons hes got a 1000bhp skyline. It does the 1/4 mile in 10.8ish seconds - this is impressive when compare to the Maclaren F1 as it is supposed to be quicker but then it is 2wd. How come a scooby with a reported 450bhp can record a 1/4 mile time of 10.5secs!!! This car has smaller tyres and no traction control yet beats the Skyline. Dont tell me the Skyline has a weight disadvantage or anything like that as it does not wash!!!!! Not if it has a 550bhp advantage and a lot more traction!!!!
Its about time the owners come to their senses before they are made to look very stupid by the new breed of tuned Subarus.
Its your choice but think properly about what I have said as the claims are just ridiculous. Its laws of physics at the end of the day! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Rant over
Martin

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DaveU
12th July 2000, 08:22
http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif (yawns)

JohnS
12th July 2000, 08:37
Martin,

the Impreza which did the 1/4 mile is a fully stripped out car, retaining only the drivers seat. With some 440bhp at the wheels, this apparently translates into something close to 700bhp at the flywheel. It also runs on slicks, and special racing fuel (something like 14 quid per litre I heard!) which permits it to run at such high boost levels without self destructing. This time was set on a perfectly flat drag track in Australia.

On the other hand, you have the Skyline which has full interior trim, weighing in approximately 400 Kg heavier, running on road tyres and normal pump fuel. Crail is hardly what you would call a top quality drag strip, with "crumbly" tarmac, and a slight uphill slope for the first 1/8 mile. I would have said that 10.8 in these circumstances was very impressive http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Harj
12th July 2000, 09:03
It seems that the 22B Idiot Filter is not working today! You cannot even compare Scoobies/Cossies against Skylines, totally different animals. Before you go on and on about you heard how a Scooby or Cossy kicked a Skylines ass, please remember driver ability before you continue this dogs dropping post.

If you wanna talk about physics, it seems a Type R Scooby goes through the gears faster than physics can portray, (Gearing)

Harj...

dumped
12th July 2000, 09:46
Yeh cheers Harj. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif
The fuel makes no difference as it is the power it produces at the end of the day was quoted 450bhp.
You talking about a skyline with 550 bhp(my ar5e!) extra. I've been at crail and the untreated surface at crail is probably twice as grippy as that of santa pod. I also watched it having no problem with traction what so ever and that was the guys own comment on a TV program recently. I have seen the car run with my own eyes.
Still can believe that you cant see common sense. I'm not trying to stir or anything like that, I've loved skylines for ages and realised a dream when I got a passenger ride round Knockhill in a friends R33 GTR.
I dont know if its because they are being compared to cars like cossies etc that have power claims that are inflated but no way does that car have 1000bhp.
Heard a rumour the it was in Greersport at the moment after blowing up - but dont know if it was the yellow on or not.
Cheers
Martin
I do still believe that they are phenominal cars - just not the unbelievable claims!

Kevin Atkins
12th July 2000, 16:03
Simple answer, invite them onto a bench dyno,no b******t then !!

Macca
13th July 2000, 00:06
Nismo, can get a reliable 1560hp from an RB26DETT, the only problem is the drivetrain. This comes from someone who was working at Nismo when the test was done.

I believe the Yellow car being reffered to is the EX JUN super Lemon car, the statemant from JUN when the car was built was that it had more than 1000hp and I would believe JUN on this as he is one of the top Skyline tuners in Japan.

Last week I was at the drags here in Sydney, There was a R33 with 660hp which had traction problems until third gear, he was running 11.2 (road tyres, full interior) To put it into perspective there is a 200sx running here now with 600hp (10.5, slicks stripped interior)

Benny
13th July 2000, 01:01
My R32 has 612bhp on 0.8 bar of boost and ceramic turbos. It'll do 180mph acording to the speedo.

Ceramic turbos are much better than steel ones apparently.

dumped
13th July 2000, 01:30
Benny if you believe what you just wrote then I am very worried for you. My views are that of a trained engineer with an honours degree in Naval Architecture and Offshore engineering, with this I did a lot of work on the design of engines, efficiencies and thermodynamics.
Do you honestly believe that a 2.6l engine running .8bar of boost will produce 620bhp - jesus christ, earth to moon. Who told you it was putting out that power? Does it run on pure nitro methane?
You really are the cossie owners of 2000! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
The Yellow car
Yes it was the ex JUN car - how do you explain its dismal times when it is supposed to have 1000bhp. I watched it running and it took care of the traction fine - And has a bloody big set of tyres to boot! A 3 door cossie with only 350 bhp is capable of 11s.
Someones seriously bending the laws of physics here.
2.7l 0.8bar = 620bhp ?!*!
I honestly dont mean any disrespect as I have stated from the start.
Martin
Just read you post again - how do you think ceramic turbos make a difference to your peak power? They my spool up faster because the have less inertia but they take a million times less stress than a steel one. 0.8bar boost is 0.8bar boost nomater what your turbos made of. I've pesonally cleaned out the remains of a ceramic turbo from an MR2 engine so I dont rate them too high. Believe they could spool up faster though - just never had it proved to me.

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Macca
13th July 2000, 08:57
Well if the JUN car had no traction problems then may I suggest that the boost was turned down. I have seen drag GTR's with 265 wide slicks spin all four through second gear, Our group A car wouls spin all four slicks through first and into second. I must admit that 600hp from 0.8 bar is a crap. You need 2.4 bar to make 1000hp from a RB26DETT. with all things being sorted properly.

Mike Rainbird
13th July 2000, 09:21
Martin,
I think Benny was agreeing with you and was being sarcaustic http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif. Everyone knows that the ceramic turbos in a Skyline eat themselves if asked to go above 350bhp and have to be replaced with steel ones.

Incidentally, the RS200 that is currently at Harveys (the ex 0-100-0 record holder) also belongs to the owner of the Jun car. He popped in to see Harvey the other day (on the way back from doing the Autocar 0-100-0 event in his Skyline) to see how it was coming along (slowly, as they are having to source an Indy car turbo from the States as there are none big enough for it over here!), and openly admits that his Skyline has nowhere near 1000bhp and is more like 700bhp (as he doesn't want to make himself look stupid in front of people that know engines http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif).

I find it incredible how people really WANT to believe these claims! To get anywhere near that kind of bhp out of a 2.6 litre, you will need to run in excess of 2.5 bar (if you think about it, it takes this kind of boost pressure to get 550bhp from a 2.0 litre!). Lets just say for arguement's sake that you CAN run that kind of boost in a Skyline and that the power WILL increase directly in proportion to the engine size, you are looking at a theoretical 715bhp. Lets just add 100bhp to allow for the fact that the Skyline engine may be able to rev higher than the Cossie's 8200rpm. You are still well short of the magical 1000bhp. I'm not saying that it is impossible from that engine size. BUT the engine would need to be able to rev well into 5 figures (and a straight six running big boost would bow the crank). Accordingly it would need to be of a different configuration (a V engine). Funny why there isn't / wasn't any straight cylinder configurations in F1 (other than a four cylinder) - this is because to produce the four figure bhp figures the cranks had to be short so as not to distort when running big boost (from the turbo days) or to rev high enough (15,000+) from the N/A days.

Even the Brian Hart Evolution RS 200 engines (2.1 litre) that rev to 10500 can only produce 640bhp.... This is direct from the horse's mouth - Martin Schanche (sp?) himself, as he has been advising Harvey and Ahmed how they achieved the power in the good ol' days of Rally-cross, to help spec up the RS200 they are doing...

Keep dreaming Skyline boys...
LOL
Mike

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dumped
13th July 2000, 10:36
That Martin S guy was an absolute nutter - I hope he's not adding driving tips as well or thier doomed! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Benny - oops
Better explanation than I could give - but I still new that something smelt off!
Cheers
Martin

Harj
13th July 2000, 11:03
Mike,

Be careful or I will have to come and sort the flick http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif Im not bothered about Power Claims as much, if the car feels fast, thats good enough for me http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Well a 1000BHP car doesn't wanna be blown away by a by a car that has 1/2 that amount of power!

Harj..

PS. Mike are you coming to SPOD this Sunday or chickening out like normal? Afraid I will be there hey? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Mike Rainbird
13th July 2000, 13:43
Harj,
Depends on the weather and also if I can be ar5ed to drive the 100miles or not. Also, I am trying to get everything ready for National Day....

If you want a proper challenge, why not book yourself on the track with the rest of us - still plenty of spaces....
Best regards
Mike

DaveJones
13th July 2000, 15:30
A friend of mine kindly pointed me to this site to read the thread. I'm the person with the JUN skyline, so thought I would offer my opinions!

The car was dyno'd in Japan, and according to JUN was recorded at just over 1000BHP in drag spec. This was verified when they were doing it by a couple of the Japanese mags. The car was then shown at the Tokyo Auto Salon, for which it was built.

I am not though running the car to that spec. They were on controlled fuel, and in excess of 2 bar boost. They also had the Trust 6 speed transmission on the car, which is stronger than the OS Giken gear kit I am using. I personally 'feel' the car is about 700 - 800 BHP at 1.7 Bar, running on Super Unleaded.

They are now dyno'ing RB26 engines in excess of 1200 BHP in Japan.

The car is heavy (1500Kg) and would need 700 - 800 in order to achieve a 10 Sec. Qtr Mile. This is a similiar time to a McLaren F1, which has 600 BHP, and weighs 1000 Kg.

The RS200 will produce close to 650 BHP from a 2.2ltr 4 cylinder at 2.2 Bar on Super unleaded, so I'm sure a genuine 1000 BHP is not too difficult for an RB26. Remember there is nothing engine-wise in the JUN car that had not been upgraded. I am sure this was a seriously expensive conversion in Japan (it's also a 2.7 ltr, and revs to 9,200).

Oh, and the car has not blown up contrary to 'dumped's comment. and weight has a *lot* to do with it, contrary to his other comment (a=f/m I seem to remember).

Dave.

Mike Rainbird
13th July 2000, 16:04
Dave,
I still think that the 1000bhp figures are complete bull (as does everyone else in the tuning world in this country http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif). I'll believe it when it has been put on an engine dyno (just like your RS200 engine) and the lever pulled... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif You might see 900bhp if you're lucky (before it went pop or the crank snapped http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif LOL

Top respect for posting though. Please, please win the 0-100-0 record back for Ford in the RS200 (I have a picture of your car as my screen saver!).

In the meantime, when the RS200 is finished, why not hand the Skyline engine over to Ahmed and Harvey and put an end to all the speculation....? Would gladly eat my words if you could prove the power.
Best regards
Mike Rainbird
PS. As you say, power to weight has more than "a lot" to do with a good standing quarter / acceleration time.

dumped
13th July 2000, 18:25
Cheers for the reply Dave. All I was told was someones skyline was in Greers after blowing up - my friends made it sound like it was yours. Dont worry I didnt hope it was yours - I love the sound of it at crail too much! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
I think to put your point across that you should take me for a passenger ride in your car - if I stain my undies then its a real 700bhp! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Speculation should soon be over - AVA in Glasgow are currently building a 4wd rolling road that will be rated at 500bhp per axel so you'll be able to find out the power at the wheels - unless your chicken! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif
Caught you out as well - you definately stated on the TV the other night that your car was 1000bhp! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Cheers
Martin
PS - Got any good games in developement for the PS2 and how do you rate the new microsoft console?
One question I always wanted answered - Is there a strip club in grand theft auto that you can somehow get into - I remember rumours of this and god knows I tried my best to find it! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Benny
13th July 2000, 19:53
Dave,

If only you had reacted properly you would hold the record. You do know that don't you?!!!

Benny
(Not that I am rubbing it in or anything!!)

Stef
14th July 2000, 08:08
Harj.

How the feck did you become a moderator on this Skyline section????? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/confused.gif
Your knowledge of the Skyline is as great as mine of the Scandinavian Field Mouse!!!! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
What is this bbs coming too........ http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Still, when (if) you get your Skyline, at least you'll know that no other car has as many gizmo's to compensate for errrrrmmm...driver characterisics. If the Skyline doesn't do it, nothing will! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
See you at Donno! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Stef.
PS What happened to the EVO VI, the Porsche 911, the Ferrari, the..... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif
PPS Were you at Donno when those two R34 Skyline's both blew their turbo's?

Harj
17th July 2000, 07:46
Mike!

I shall be attending the National Day and I will be going on the track http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif Im gonna come looking for you!!!

Stef!

Deep down you knew I wanted a Skyline, so Ive done it. The Scooby was always a mild sedative to prevent the nutter in me from coming out http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

It was about time this excellent BBS had a Skyline section and I am trying my best to promote everything Anders, Lee and Steve have done. I may even put a 22B.com Sun Visor on my car, It seems Anders was in need of some inteligent moderators so here I am http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Also the EVO, 911 and Ferrari thing was a stage when I didn't know where to throw my money at. There is never any harm in looking at other cars especially when they are all as good as each other!

Harj...

PS. Give me some 4 Pots and then we will see who can drive http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Stef
17th July 2000, 11:30
Harj.

A 22b.com sun visor? WOW! That's dedication for ya! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif
And I hope you're not implying that my 4-pots are the only reason for you being lapped at Donno every session..... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif lol
Bless ya!

Stef.
PS Speaking of throwing money away, didn't you post on the RSOC board that you weren't getting a Cossie any more because the insurance was too high???? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Harj
17th July 2000, 13:12
Stef!

I only remember you passing me once at Dono and I think that was on my cooldown lap! It all came down to braking mate! Im still looking into the Cossie thing but I don't agree with spending 2.5K on insurance for a 7K motor! would you?

Harj....

W9GTR
17th July 2000, 21:51
At last somewhere I can post without fear of ridicule by the two litre brigade(with more tuning potential we are reliably informed by our engineer friend than a skyline)talk about pi55ing on your own strawberries one minute he's telling us we need bigger engine capacity to achieve more power then he's telling us that the new tuned subaru will make skyline owners look silly in the bhp department with about 600cc less...? draw your own conclusions.
By the way the two R34 turbo mishaps at donno were probably down to running increased boost pressure with the ceramic turbos, I might be wrong as i didn't attend but middlehurst will not touch the boost pressure unless new turbos are fitted. For the record my car (R34 VSPEC)runs at a true 400bhp (Cams,induction,exhaust) and frankly i do not feel the need for any more.
Harj your presense as moderator is most welcome. It makes a change for a subaru owner not to knock skylines,like my mate birdy(P1) who now has a lot of time for the motor since driving a few, something which a lot of the guys on this bbs have never done and probably never will.More than happy to take any of em out in mine though......
Cheers
Steve

dumped
17th July 2000, 22:59
I've been in a so called 400bhp R33 GTR - used to be some lords car from Ireland or something like that. Felt an amazing car, just not the power that was claimed as 400 real horse power is a hell of a lot even if it is quite a big car. Even the owner felt the exaxt same as he also had a twin turbo BMW with a measures 280bhp at the wheels and he felt it was seriously faster.
Cheers
Martin

Mike Rainbird
18th July 2000, 07:46
Dear Steve,
It is not just down to power (as Davey pointed out), it is power to weight! It doesn't take a genius to work out that the performance of a "280bhp" Scooby STi at 1235Kg (or even less weight in Type RA format) is going to run rings around a "280bhp" GTR at 1500Kg+.... In fact to even match the acceleration of the Scooby, the Skyline would have to have either much shorter gearing than the Impreza OR at least 350bhp, and that is to just MATCH the ickle 2.0 litre thing.

Wake up and smell the coffee http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif, a Skyline is just like Harj - overweight... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
LOL
Mike R

DaveJones
18th July 2000, 08:55
OK dumped, give me a shout next time you see me at Crail, and we'll go for a run. The usual reaction from people is that they burst out laughing (not from how slow it is!). Never saw the bit on TV, they must have edited it! I am really wary of talking about power figures normally as I am as sceptical as the next man. People *always* ask though, so I offer the figure that was reputed in Japan. The car is seriously quick though, so I am confident enough to say 700 - 800.

The reaction time thing in Autocar was a bit of a bummer as they never told me about it at the event. I was first to run as I wanted to get back to Scotland (it was a hell of a drive!). They had the full timing gear, and I assumed they measured your 0-100, and 100-0 time. I see no reason to include a reaction time in the test, as it is about the car, not the driver. AT least I'll know for next year.

Oh well, all the other cars turned up trailers anyway! (no real road cars). They did not tell which ones blew up either!

Dave.

dumped
18th July 2000, 09:15
Dave
Totally agree that reaction time should have nothing to do with the test as its about the cars. I thought one of the regulations of the event was that the cars turned up under their own steam?
When do you go to Crail next and I'll get myself there. Probably most mental car I'll ever ride in! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Cheers
Martin

Harj
18th July 2000, 09:43
Mike!

Strong words from a small fella, now when we meet at Silverstone I am gonna have to re-style that 80's flick for ya! period!

Keep it coming as you always chicken out! where did you get your Skyline knowledge from? Same as Stef from Magazines or actually owning, working on one or driving one?

Stick to the Cossy mate and let the big boys play on here http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Harj....

PS. I don't know, you let Mike out of his cage and look at what he says! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Mike Rainbird
18th July 2000, 09:56
Harj,
My knowledge comes from listening to / quizzing the respected tuners in this country and not to "cake eating" IT people who THINK they know everything.... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif
LOL
Mike
PS. IF you can re-style my 80's flick hair, I will PAY you to, as I haven't been able to find anyone who can for the last 18 years! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif My hair looks the same as it did when I first started High School...!

Harj
18th July 2000, 10:26
Mike @ Silverstone I will bring Stef along for a cut and dry, I didn't know there were any respected tuners in this country, thats why all my work is being done from Nismo in Japan.

All you have stated will be included in the 400 conversion mike including handling mods too. Oh and a nice little button that allows the 4 wheel control circuits to come on and off.

Harj... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

PS. Who said I work in IT? (Banking)

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iwatkins
18th July 2000, 11:43
Mike,

I take offence at your last comments, what is wrong with cake-eating ? I love cake http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Cheers

Ian

Mike Rainbird
18th July 2000, 12:03
Harj,
I was talking about Ahmed and Harvey (natch).. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


Ian,
My apolgies - mind you, you looked as though those cakes didn't affect you as much as they did a cetain other... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
LOL
Mike

CraigH
18th July 2000, 12:16
Harj,
You're a banker? Theres a surprise http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Be interesting to see if you can drive this as fast as your Scoob http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

shaunee
18th July 2000, 12:30
Right then.....let's get something straight!

On this occasion (it hurts me to do so http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif), I have to agree with the flick man! As with many cars out here, the bullshitometer is going into overdrive!!!!! That includes RS owners (which are probably the worse) http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

The ONLY TRUE way of looking at BHP figures is through a bench dyno, PERIOD!

Anything that is tested on Japan rollers, IMHO is total tosh!! I have seen 4 power runs on video of Jap rollers in progress. All of these rollers showed 800bhp+ figures, but only took 2-3secs in 4th gear to achieve this. Now your telling me that these cars accelerate in 4th gear to redline that quickly.......don't think so!!!

BHP don't mean shit....it all comes down to how the car handles/transfers that power to the tarmac. We have already seen 300bhp scooby do 12.7 1/4 mile & also Stef's standard (ish) car run 13.2. My previous escort cossie with just over 300bhp, did a best time of 13.5 secs, and IMHO that was with a perfect start. So why are we all bothered about BHP figures?

Get it on the track or SPOD, then compare your BullshitHorsePower!

Shaun.

P.S. Of course one other SMALL factor I forgot to mention......is driver ability http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Harj
18th July 2000, 12:33
Craig!

Don't forget im only a track novice! It seems im still living in the past when it comes to Scoobies http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif As I said earlier, some of you lads should return to the smaller areas and leave the real cars to real men http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Harj....
PS. Even my V8 Lexus would have a chance against some of you! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Stef
18th July 2000, 13:26
Shaun.
What's this? The Scatmanpoo talking some sense? Will wonders never cease? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Harj.
Please don't even go there. Trying to make out you are a track veteran after two sessions will only make you look silly. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
We both know the truth about Donington, and it wasn't just down to brakes. I have the video to prove it don't forget... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif
Slowing down lap, ha! Just slow lap would suffice! I never went on about it before it was your first track day, but as you're now so keen to blurt your 'achievements' out...
Oh, and whilst we're clarifying a few things, who said I know anything about Skylines? All I know is that ALL the ones I've ever seen on track have either blown up or moved over! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif Seeing as you have never 'owned, worked on or driven one', it's still more experience than you ! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
See you at Donno in November!
Congrats on the moderator appointment though, it will bring a much needed injection of humour to the bbs! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Stef.

Harj
18th July 2000, 13:41
Stef!

Come to Japan with me in a couple of weeks and you can see some real machinery for yourself in stead of poxy UK Scoobies http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif (Only aimed at Stef) Track Veteran? never said I was, just stating that your driving skills need some attention. Some of us have something to live for!!

By the way it was only 1 R33 that had turbo problems at Dono! the second grey one sorted his ignition fault out there and then!

Keep buying those magazines Stef as that's the closest you'l ever come to a real car http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Harj...

PS. Talking about Video footage! I have some great footage of Stef's car blowing up at Snetterton as the camera was strapped inside the car!: http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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W9GTR
18th July 2000, 20:38
We have a live one here boys, think I'll just check the scooby threads for a bit of a break and unwind!
Mike..not only power to weight my old mate its also how you harness that power to the road and in the STI's case with those cute waif like 16" wheels...I'd take my car any day of the week...hehe....
Harj if you see mike soon get rid of the 80's cut and give him the hairstyle he really deserves for such tosh....a mullet!

W9GTR
18th July 2000, 20:40
By the way if this is where all the big boys hang out where the hell is Simon De Slim.
Cheers
Steve

Mike Rainbird
19th July 2000, 07:57
Steve,
I look forward to being overtaken by your superior lard mobile at a track event in the near future http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Especially as your 18" wheels must mean that it is better. I think you have been reading too much Lacks Power!

Next you'll be saying that 'cos you've got a 1000w stereo, you can pull 6g's through the corners... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif
LOL
Mike

Stef
19th July 2000, 13:40
Harj.
Whatever! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Oh, and the car's I'm talking about were actually R34's, not 33's so http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif .Were you there that day? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/confused.gif
Still, I'm looking forward to you actually getting a 400bhp monster that runs on 95 octane fuel. Can't see it myself....

Stef.

DaveU
19th July 2000, 14:51
somehow methinks that no-one is dense enough to run a tuned GTR on ordinary UL!

Stef
19th July 2000, 22:27
'Forest' Harj was under the impression his would! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Stef.

DaveU
20th July 2000, 08:38
LOL! Harj - tell me he's joking!
PS Have you got yourself that 'interim' skyline yet?

Dave

W9GTR
20th July 2000, 12:03
Mike
I do have rather more in the rubber department lets face it(nver mind the quality feel the width!!!!) http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Steve

Mike Rainbird
20th July 2000, 13:27
Steve,
I love putting you Skylark owners in your place.... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif I can't wait to meet you on a track with my skinny 215/40 x 17 tyres and ten year old Ford....
LOL
Mike R
PS. Can't help hankering after the R34's amazing electronic gauges though - hours of fun! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Keith C
20th July 2000, 16:05
Heheh - is this the point where I start banging on about tiddly little engines, and power sapping AWD systems? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

iwatkins
20th July 2000, 16:18
Keith
No it isn't mate http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Mike,
You want the gauges ? See: http://www.nissan.co.jp/SKYLINE_GT-R/9901GT-RFC/EQPMENT/eqp_a_3a.html You could print them out and stick them on your dash as a flip book and change them every now and then. Hang on, that wouldn't work, boost gauge doesn't go high enough http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Cheers

Ian

Mike Rainbird
20th July 2000, 16:57
Ian,
ROFLOL! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I want one even more now.... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif
LOL
Mike

Stef
21st July 2000, 20:51
Dave.
I am NOT joking!!!!! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Oh yes, Harj knows his stuff alright! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Stef.