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Colin Berry
4th September 2000, 14:04
Details to follow but:-

Please let me know if you are interested in going to the Nurburgring in Late October with the 555 club of Holland.

Hopefully this will be an official SIDC event.
That means you can come too Anders!!!

4th September 2000, 16:04

Mad for it (that's a yes!)

Kim & Dom

4th September 2000, 17:41
I will prolly not be an "official" SCN or SIR meet, but who cares.

And yes, traditionally, we will go to the Ring in October again. Not sure when yet, but will keep you posted.

Mind you: when we go, be careful out there ! Read up all you can from Adam Curtin's pages, and the Lovejoy ones. Will post links when I can be bothered to look them up http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif Also see the info on http://www.drivingtechniques.co.uk .

The Ring is a crazy adventure. No marshals, as many people as can get through the gates, cars, bikes and busses (!) all mixed up ... but if you take it easy the first times, it's about as dangerous as "spirited driving" on public roads (which also means accidents can & will happen: Zoef, who is a member of the SCN committee, crashed his Impreza 2 weeks ago when avoiding a biker that lost it.) On the same day, we saw a very expensive Porker and a Ferrari 360 loose it (and having to be towed away...)

Don't want to spoil the fun, but better warned then ..., err..., you know.

Apart from all that: if you love driving, you just can't omit driving the Ring at least once.

Will keep you informed.

4th September 2000, 19:03
Cool. I am definately coming. However, due to a slightly nervous outlook and not being 100% confident about ability/experience I will just watch.

Un-Less Colin, Kim or Dom wants to let me come in their scoob if its allowed http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Then that was I can film it with my viewcam.

That'd be cool

Looking forward to it. <can we get a plane/train please...or someone knock me out like B.A Barackus in the A-Team before flying> http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

4th September 2000, 23:08
I was looking at the weekend of 13/14th October http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Colin Berry
5th September 2000, 08:24
Ok its sorted. Theo has lindly offered to let anyone use car on the Nurburgring. All he asks is that you supply some 'Merlin' wax to remove those hard to get at dents and scratches http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Colin Berry
5th September 2000, 10:44
Some info!

A Lap of Nürburgring-Nordschleife, 20,8 km
by Gerd M. Schumacher
The ‘Ring’ is probably the most beautiful race circuit on earth (so beautiful that the Japanese want to build a replica somewhere in Japan!!). The track is only used for testing by manufacturers and a few races during the year (24h; Langstreckenpokal).

So the track is open to the public almost every day.

Jackie Stewart once called this circuit ‘green hell’ and it’s really a roller coaster ride through beautiful nature.

Let’s go now for a lap in a Subaru Impreza with 263 bhp...
Notice: the Impreza pulls like train with it’s 405 NM, some corners are better taken in a lower gear but then you’ll need more revs.
Because of its length it takes about 30 laps to learn the ring, much much more to be fast so don’t give up.

A flying lap is not possible on this track, you have to pay every round. If you want to get a lap time, go out on the circuit and start accelerating. When you pass the sign ‘Tiergarten’ on the right after a light left, speed 210 km/h, 4th gear, start your timer. The stage ‘Antoniusbuche’, a light left, is already passed (under the bridge) but it’s only fun when driving a flying lap.

But now it get’s fun... take the following right flat out, the car gets nervous at the rear and start braking down to 3rd at 140 km/h. A light left curve must be used for slowing down to 2nd for the following right-left. A short straight used for shifting up to 3rd, a 90 deg right and you pass the old entrance. The track makes a light hill and the car gets light at the braking point for a sharp 3rd gear left. Now your falling down to the ‘Hatzenbach’.

The next right is flat out, shift up to 4th a right fast corner waits for you. Short hard braking down to 140 km/h, stay in 4th. Attention: best driven in oversteer but dangerous!!

A straight with a light full left leads to the Hatzenbach-combination: left-right short straight left-right-left short straight right-left. Stay in 3rd, very great if it’s driven in a rhythm (nice word play as we say!). Now flooring over a light bridge (‘Quiddelbacher Höhe’) with a light right a short hill up to ‘Flugplatz’ in 4th (airport in English and not without a reason!!!).

If you are fast, brake after the jump as there’s an immediate long right curve waiting for you. So be patient an brake before until you have a bit of track experience (NEVER brake while jumping). Take the long right staying in 4th and go high speed to ‘Schwedenkreuz’ (even more dangerous and fast). A light left, downhill, a light right and again a very light right which you can’t see. Stay inside this light right for braking into the following left (‘Schwedenkreuz’). You should be in 5th gear around 230 km/h before braking. Go to 4th and do not turn in too early. The curve is wavy and the car is fast so be very patient again.

A bit of gas on the short straight and then slow down to 3rd for the 100 deg right curve ‘Aremberg’, important to take well for the following high-speed trip down to ‘Fuchsröhre’.

Left-right-left should not worry you, can be driven like a straight. In the valley is placed a left one you can take full with above 220 km/h in 5th ---if you are very fearless.

Don’t waste time now, latest braking after this left for the next left in 4th you can`t see yet. Again the car will get extremely light at the rear. Braking down for the next easy right (3rd) you enter ‘Adenauer Forst’ chicane. Important is the first left corner –you have to stay very long outside because it closes at its end and for the following right you need to be on the left side of the track. Best taken in 2nd gear. Then push to 4th up, a light left we can take straight and directly another left with reduced speed. We are at ‘Metzgesfeld’ now. Another left-right passage in 3rd follows, the next right ‘Kallenhard’ is very long and often slippery, also driven in 3rd. The next left-right can go fully but the car can’t be soft suspension for that.

A long, long right follows, easy to take in 4th but be sure not to be too fast at the entrance. A short straight and it gets nervous: Brake on the short straight and change in 3rd, in the curve, you have to slow down further and take the 2nd for the left (‘Wehrseifen’) which goes with I think 50 km/h –I haven’t found yet time to look on my speedometer.... However, the car gets extremely nervous by braking and steering. Full push through the next right and the following light right up to 4th gear. On the short straight when a bridge appears in front of you, brake very hard and take 3rd for the double left curve over the bridge (‘Breitscheid’). Stay in third for the next right and not to much braking. Floor again and take the next left in 4th full (Niki Lauda`s horrible crash 1976 was here).

Then brake hard for the right (‘Bergwerk’) and stay outside for a long time. This is a very important curve because a long full speed uphill passage follows (‘Kesselchen’). Some light left and a very light right follows you can take full. The next left you will think –that won`t work- also goes floored. Light right-right and left follows. Then a left you can`t see must be taken in 4th with around 160 km/h, behind a hill a right is waiting, brake short. A little straight and go down in 2nd for the right curve called ‘Klostertal’. Go out and stay in 3rd (perhaps to the rev-limiter) and slow down for the amazing left hairpin ‘Karussell’. Don’t go in too early, take it inside in 2nd. Let yourself drift out a bit before the banking ends and go on up to 4th, taking the next left full. A left-right follows, just go in 3rd and light braking. Over a small hill, a right curve (‘Hohe Acht’) follows, also in 3rd. The next is ‘Wippermann’, a right-left-right you can easy fly off when going fast, taken in 4th. Go down in 3rd, a hill will appear which is also a long right. Stay in 3rd for the next left corner. After this there’s only very short time left for braking the next right, now entering ‘Brünnchen’ –perhaps a reason why there are the most spectators on a sunny Sunday... Drive in 3rd, also the next right and left (short straights between). After that a section which is difficult to describe follows. If the line is correct it goes full but you can’t see much of the track. It is a right with an outside hanging long left. Then a light downwards leading straight with a jump hill at its end before a long 4th gear right curve: ‘Pflanzgarten’. Braking after the jump means full braking complete inside the curve which goes with around 130 km/h. If it fits, the result is an incredible power slide through. But if it doesn’t fit, you can’t avoid heavy damage because as usual there’s no space for mistakes at the ring. Be skilful for that!!
So, stay as much as possible on the right side for the next left which goes full in fourth. Next is a very difficult falling down left (full speed in 4th), again the wheels are in the air and the car jumps a bit to the right. Short brake for the right, then a light left-right you can’t see can be passed full if the line fits. Short straight then brake for the right curve. Stay in 4th, there is very high grip.

Next left in 3rd and you will see ‘Schwalbenschwanz’, also called Mini-Carussell. Stay in 3rd, fall in early in and leave early. Allow the car to jump out to the right of the track. The last two curves flollow: ‘Galgenkopf’. Brake for the first right, take off gas for the next right and drive it in a wonderful light slide in 4th . Now a 2km long straight appears, the ‘Döttinger Höhe’. Stop your lap timer at the light alloy construction which leads over the track. If it is a very deep 8 min or a very high 7 min you where very fast. Add around 25 seconds (depends on the car) and you get a time for a imaginary flying lap.

I hope you enjoyed it.

5th September 2000, 11:25
Mmmmm....yessss http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Not SIDC but perhaps a non-official FIDC event http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Ronnie... you can always hop in with me http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif


[This message has been edited by James (edited 05 September 2000).]

5th September 2000, 17:10
Nice one James.


5th September 2000, 17:32
Colin, in my car ? In your dreams pal http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

I should be more careful with the links I post: I was under the impression that there was a beginners guide to the Ring from Phil Gardner , and that guide is still announced on the drivingtechniques homepage, but the link has gone ... (SDB, if you're listening, what happened to it ?)

Anywayz, the above guide is for very (and I mean VERY) advanced drivers. Not in your dreams you will get an eight minute (let alone a seven minute something) lap, unless you are incredibly talented, completely stupid, and preferably both. Eleven minutes is more like it, maybe 10 something after a few laps.

RonH, I can relate to your feeling, been there, done that. First time I went to the Ring, I did not drive. I regretted that (my wife didn't ...), but I did not do it in the end. Just come over, see all those crazy cars, and decide for yourself if you feel like it or not. You will enjoy, whether you drive or not !

Some more links:


5th September 2000, 18:11

Of course you could jump in with us, but what did you call me on Sunday?? A "controlled lunatic" Nat tells me!!


6th September 2000, 17:27
Fair point Theo but I am only a nipper and I would not risk my life (or anyone elses) so its cucumber sandwhiches and tea by the rumble strips for me! Maybe next year when I am a bit more experienced.

Kim http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Yes, controlled was the description. I am hoping the government can clone you and release your gene into other femaled drivers http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Dom likes the pace too so I guess an offer to go in the RB5 would be silly to turn down. I am not going to drive myself in my scoob, not least until I get some more experience behind the scoob http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif Flicking the back out on a wet hill in belguim is a bit different to 120 mph through a parabolica!


7th September 2000, 10:42
So whats the plan guys?
Oct 14th weekend?
Friday Night to Monday Night http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif?
What day / days at Ring Sunday? Sat + Sun http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif?

Need to book time off if we come back on Mon, so please let me know.


7th September 2000, 11:27
I want to be on the 'Ring on the 14th of October to see again all those friendly people from the other side of the Channel with their beloved Scoobies!

Jo (Belgian Subaru Club)

[This message has been edited by turboke (edited 07 September 2000).]

Colin Berry
7th September 2000, 21:44
I going to try to co-ordinate the UK end
Mail me on colin.berry@level3 if you are seriously interested and I will keep you informed. Evil, im going to give you a call to get some details.

8th September 2000, 00:39
Colin. I tried to call 4 times the other night and twice last night (its early now!) and no joy http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif

I am up for the nurburgring most definately and will be booking time off as soon as advised dates are ready....I need at leat 14 days notice to arrange cover e.t.c at work.


8th September 2000, 09:03
Good man Colin... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I have mailed you... I assume it is level3. com?

Hope it is weekend of 14th Oct.


12th September 2000, 07:29

Apologies, but we're gonna have to pull out of this one - lacking in holiday!

Kim & Dom

Colin Berry
12th September 2000, 09:32
Additional ring info on http://www.ifeng.demon.co.uk/trackdays/ring/guide.html

15th September 2000, 11:13
Its gonna be me, Paul and our mate Mark http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

No women coming in our party! Yipeeee!


19th September 2000, 19:43

Original nurburg thread with links http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

Colin Berry
22nd September 2000, 14:07
Scoobynet thread

26th September 2000, 19:57
Right I am going in Richards car with Haj and Felstead in tow, we are going out Friday night coming back Sunday night http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

26th September 2000, 21:03
Looks like i might have my car back in time http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

28th September 2000, 20:54
Im there! Bring on the women and beer!

30th September 2000, 10:22
Harj, finally we'll meet, let's see what you are made of matey http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


30th September 2000, 20:56

Should be fun mate, im looking forward to the whole weekend http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I can hear the Beer calling me http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


1st October 2000, 21:11
Ok my continental chums can you email me details of hotels near the ring please http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

1st October 2000, 23:51
Good news, Evil Bevil is on the case and is going to give his Kok some attention regarding the hotel accomodation http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

2nd October 2000, 09:25
No De'Arends please http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif

Type R
2nd October 2000, 15:27
Harj I have a few contacts for Hotel Accomodation in Germany near the ring, just waiting for a price per room, around £30 per night I think.

2nd October 2000, 16:07
Thanks for that James, really appreciate it.

There are a lot of pointers to the hotels (including rating of how good their English is) at http://www.lovejoy.demon.co.uk/nuerburgring/where_to_stay.html

You could also drop a line to Ben Lovejoy, I'm sure he'll want to help out.

Mike Rainbird
2nd October 2000, 17:00
I was thinking of coming along (if the car is ready) and frightening you all with a "real man's car" http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif, but as I would have just coughed for a new 500bhp engine I need some anticipated costs with regard to the ferry / chunnel....

I have asked Anders, but he's next to useless having just refered me to this thread... http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Mike R

2nd October 2000, 17:10
Hey Rainman, more than welcome mate !

Costs would be something like 190 quid for the Chunnel, about 60 pounds for the hotel (two nights), and if you want to have a go at the Ring, you pay about 28 pounds for 6 rounds.

Add fuel costs (don't know what your beast drinks), food, drinks, and Alka Seltzer http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Say it'll cost you about 350 to 400 quid in total.

HTH and see you at the Ring !

2nd October 2000, 17:41
mike, we are going by ferry, its about 120 quid.

Come along mike, it'll be fantastic seeing that thing on the ring, i am taking the westfield.

2nd October 2000, 20:51

Don't make me embarass you on track http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif, Ive been waiting for this opportunity to kick Rainmans ass http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Would be a laugh if you came as Shaun the Cossy herald will be there watching your back http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif


2nd October 2000, 22:40
To confirm your attendance and whether you need a hotel booked please register on the adjacent thread http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

3rd October 2000, 08:45
I aint watching anyones back, who has a 80's flick!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Who will be watching my back???????????? http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif

Shaun. (WWF King of the RING) http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

3rd October 2000, 12:14
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EvilBevel:
Thanks for that James, really appreciate it.

Apologies Theo, that probably sounded a bit off.

Your help in sorting the acomodation was greatly appreciated. You weren't to know the owner was going to double book us with a Polo team http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif


3rd October 2000, 12:23
harj and mike.

Banter is great for most track days but not the ring, do not be tempted to start a mine is faster than yours thread here because i dont want a coffin in my car for the journey home.

sorry to be serious for a minute http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif