List of 22B VIN

[9TR]

Hi,

I run a website which specialises in collecting certain Nissan's production (colour/date/model code/type etc) information and working out build numbers etc.

I decided to take a look at the 22B to see what I could find and here is a list of 430 VIN which have the model code of GC8E2SD (for 22B).

List can be found here: http://gtr-registry.com/en-subaru-wrx-sti-22b.php

I checked 1 of the Australian VIN (JF1GM9KD3WG071730) and the last 6 digits lines up with GC8-071730 which is right near the end of production. I also checked 3 other Japanese 22B VIN and they all matched.

Cheers.

[big_rob_sydney]

That is quite interesting.

I owned #301, and the numbers look familiar (I sold mine and all the paperwork went with the buyer a little over 2 years ago).

Since you're in Aus, you may want to keep a wary eye out for a 22B which has had the plaque removed, quoted as being #129. Unfortunately, 129 I believe is here in the UK...

Perhaps they got the number wrong, or perhaps there is something else going on. I have a bit more information to hand privately, in case you're interested.

[big_rob_sydney]

Just been looking at this again, and I guess its making a few questions jump out.

Mine was #301, and the numbers seem right. No worries about that. BUT, where are the 3 (or more??) prototype VINs? I'm aware of cars with 000/400, and I've also seen 000/000 floating around. For the longest time, I thought there were 424 examples built, as:

003: prototypes
005: Aus Domestic Model
016: UK Domestic Model
400: Japanese Domestic Model

Looking at the list, if the prototypes were in there somewhere, surely they would have come right up at the top of production, being some of the earliest VIN's?

I understand New Zealand also had 5 cars, but I was under the impression their stock was diverted from standard JDM allocation. I'm now more curious than ever to understand the origin of the cars that are 424+, where they went, whether or not they have a plaque, etc.

Niall, are you able to shed any light on this? How bizarre.

I do wonder if the extra 6 cars can be attributed as:

1 * 000/000
5 * for NZDM

That would neatly tie into 430 cars produced, but I suspect that may be too easy.

[9TR]

Yes it says my order doesn't equal build number on the car right at the top my number is based on VIN sequence. Check your PM I sent you some more info yesterday

[big_rob_sydney]

Thanks 9TR. I too went through the process of trying to match plaque numbers with VINs, but it was not possible.

I suspect that was one of the causes behind the list we had compiled on here ultimately being removed; its a shame, because there are a lot of people with a lot of knowledge of individual cars, and the more knowledge that is in the open, the better a cars provenance can be protected, and therefore values protected (IMO).

Some noise was around cars being rebirthed, and a lot of hearsay may have been going on, which was why I was so keen to have information brought into the light. If we could definitively know a cars history, then when a car gets put up for sale purporting to be plaque number X, then we would be able to advise people.

Unfortunately, I think some legal threats were made to the forum, and the understandable decision was made to pull the thread.

A lot of it can still be found on Scoobynet, and if you want to direct any queries to me, I'll happily let you know whatever I know, and / or direct you to others who will know far more than me.

[9TR]

Most likely they aren't in VIN order. The only Nissan car I know of with a number #/## isn't in order. That make sense to me as we know cars don't get built in the VIN sequence. Quite often the manufacture date is out of order.

Sure, I'd like to know how to get my thread published haha.

[KenC]

You have 430 down but was it not 422 or 424 cars?
Basing it on a known vin and build number, build number on your database is 6 less than the actual build plate shows

Also UK cars dont have a build number plaque. If they were pulled from your list I wonder would the numbers then match up in order

[9TR]

The entire point of my website was to work out how many were made of each type of GTRs.

Nissan constantly over builds what they publically say, and I've proven that many times.

300 Midnight purple 2 r34 gtr = 346+
1000 Nur R34 GTR = 1003
100 Midnight Opal R35 = 115
45 45th Anniversary R35 = 75+
800 GTS-R R31 = 823
etc

So since I already developed the tools and knowledge how to obtain this data, and a website to put it on, I thought I'd have a go at investigating the 22B and 430 is the number I came up with .

Cheers.

[KenC]

The entire point of my website was to work out how many were made of each type of GTRs.

Nissan constantly over builds what they publically say, and I've proven that many times.

300 Midnight purple 2 r34 gtr = 346+
1000 Nur R34 GTR = 1003
100 Midnight Opal R35 = 115
45 45th Anniversary R35 = 75+
800 GTS-R R31 = 823
etc

So since I already developed the tools and knowledge how to obtain this data, and a website to put it on, I thought I'd have a go at investigating the 22B and 430 is the number I came up with .

Cheers.

Do any of the Nissan have actual build plates? As in #\ 1000 and if so how do they manage a build plate 1003/1000

[9TR]

The only numbered GT-R is the Gentleman Edition (for France and Belguim) which was number #/010.

http://gtr-registry.com/en-r35-gentleman-edition.php

The numbers aren't in VIN sequance as VIN sequence #8 has build #6 on the plate.

As for 1003 nur, actually a friend asked Mr Hiroshi Tamura (head of the GT-R program) about this and he said "1003 Nur were because some were damaged in shipping/transport etc. Since the orders were for 1000 cars, the extra were made up, and still eventually sold."

[KenC]

The only numbered GT-R is the Gentleman Edition (for France and Belguim) which was number #/010.

http://gtr-registry.com/en-r35-gentleman-edition.php

The numbers aren't in VIN sequance as VIN sequence #8 has build #6 on the plate.

As for 1003 nur, actually a friend asked Mr Hiroshi Tamura (head of the GT-R program) about this and he said "1003 Nur were because some were damaged in shipping/transport etc. Since the orders were for 1000 cars, the extra were made up, and still eventually sold."

I can understand it could happen then with the GTR when it has no build number plate, but for the likes of the Jap 22B, which has the #\400 build plate, the only way it could be done is to have clone build numbers, so I guess the extra ones must be cars without build number?

[9TR]

I would doubt there are cloned numbered cars IMO. Either Japanese prototypes before the numbered cars, and/or extra non numbered UK and Aus etc cars.

[big_rob_sydney]

I don't believe the ADM cars were numbered with a plaque (my interactions with Bill Buckle Subaru in Brookvale, Sydney were...interesting). The sales people there had never even heard of a 22B, despite the dealership having one on site when they first came out about 10 years prior.

I have yet to see a photo of any UK car (of the 16 produced) with a plaque, but then I must admit I haven't followed this particular point closely at all.

[niall1]

Hi 9TR
That's some great information. Where did you get it as it would appear to be accurate and the jumps in numbers correspond with the information I have gathered over the years although a total build volume of 430 cars is more than the 425 often quoted I think your list also includes some prototype cars e.g. the fourth car in the list; GC8-066245 build date 1998-02 is 000/000 that was used in the posters, Japanese press launch and now resides in their museum. The build date for my car matches the information I have from when it was bought new. Your build dates start from 01/1998 but Subaru showed the 22B concept at the Japanese Motor Show in October 1997, when the car shown carried a 'WRCar STi' badge on the boot. Would your source have the chassis number for that as well (although then model type GC8E2SD mightn't have been agreed upon at that stage.
Regards
Niall

[johnfelstead]

I don't believe the ADM cars were numbered with a plaque (my interactions with Bill Buckle Subaru in Brookvale, Sydney were...interesting). The sales people there had never even heard of a 22B, despite the dealership having one on site when they first came out about 10 years prior.

I have yet to see a photo of any UK car (of the 16 produced) with a plaque, but then I must admit I haven't followed this particular point closely at all.

The 22B Type UK definitely doesn't have a plaque.
They were held back a year in sale due to the JDM cars grey imported taking the quota before the Prodrive modified cars were released, which is why they have the clear glass MY99 headlamps fitted, rather then the MY98 lights found on the other 22B's.

[big_rob_sydney]

Hi John,
That's interesting. How do they differentiate between UK numbers? Is it something in the service manual that came with the car, or do owners get a document or similar?

BTW, I replied to your PM.

Thx,
Rob

[johnfelstead]

They don't differentiate with a unique number on a plaque, you just have a normal chassis number as a normal car would.

I've seen one 22B Type UK with a home made plate attached to a dashboard plaque that is trying to pass itself off as 1/16, but they were never numbered like that.

There are a few spec differences between the UK and JDM car, all well documented on here. Those were installed by Prodrive in the UK, they came off the production line as a JDM spec car.

Most obvious none techie things you got were a different boot badge, some embossed floor matts and a sonic blue owners manual.

[mickywrx]

Most obvious none techie things you got were a different boot badge, some embossed floor matts and a sonic blue owners manual.

And an integrated rear foglight, presumably, John?

[johnfelstead]

And an integrated rear foglight, presumably, John?

They have UK spec rear light assemblies, so in there as stock.

[six star]

#129 is mine and has been for the past 8 years. It's in Ireland