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ScoobyDoo69
4th January 2013, 10:41
Howdo all,

It would be nice to get a rough idea of what everyone is running for the Sprint Series. Obviously I'm not asking you to reveal everything, but an overview and rough power/weight estimation would be good.

Mine:

S2 - ScoobyDoo69 - Blobeye STi Type UK - Standard 2.0 engine, Standard TMIC, VF43, RCM intake, full 3" decat, BC Coilovers, V-Power + 20% meth. Circa 390bhp/370lbft, 1495kg full standard weight.

So nothing special basically :D What are you intending to run?

:popcorn:

So we've got:

S1:

1. p555sbr - Classic RB5 - standard 2.0 engine vf29 standard suspension uprated arb alk remap 300-330bhp

S2:

1. MAD Hammer - Classic Type R - 2.5 gt30r circa 500/500 approx 1150kg, gaz coilovers, 888's
2. ScoobyDoo69 - Blobeye STi Type UK - Standard 2.0 engine, Standard TMIC, VF43, RCM intake, full 3" decat, BC Coilovers, V-Power + 20% meth. Circa 390bhp/370lbft, 1495kg full weight
3. RA Dunk - Classic STi RA - 2.35, PPG box, BC RMs inverted, R888s / Kuhmo V70s
4. Justin A - Classic STI RA - 2.1 - MD321T - <1200kg

S3:

1. Toffee - Newage Spec C - 2.35L - 600bhp&550ft lb / approx 1250kg - wheels & tyres as yet not decided - crap suspension
2. Bez - Newage WRX - 2.5L - 500bhp&500ft lb / approx 1250kg - wheels & tyres as yet not decided - crap suspension
3. shawy1976 - Newage WRX 550/550 - nice suspension - full weight
4. andyscoobym3 - Newage 2.1cdb , gt30 , power not known yet 1350kg
5. dbrad - 1992 Legacy 2.35, GT35, 650bhp
6. spd(john) - Classic - 2.1/2.5 front mounted MD321V, EXE-TC - 6 speed / SDM cradle - fully stripped out, Prodrive GrpA Rollcage, fibreglass front/rear wings, alloy bonnet - 1146kg hoping for 1125kg
7. Matt R - Classic Type RA - 2.0 STi 9 engine, 400ish, 6 speed DCCD, Khumos or 888s
8. Andy.F - 95 Type RA - 3.5 H6 Twin Turbo, 780bhp (sprint) KW V3, Dunlop X22 / Kumho V70s
9. wrxbart - Classic WRC Sheel, carbon body, full caged, 2.35 GT35, BC ER coilovers, STi 8 front subframe, WRC rear subframe - 1050k

toffee
4th January 2013, 15:04
Toffee - S3 - Newage Spec C - 2.35L - 600bhp&550ft lb / approx 1250kg - wheels & tyres as yet not decided - crap suspension :D

Bez300
4th January 2013, 18:54
Mine:

S2 - ScoobyDoo69 - Blobeye STi Type UK - Standard 2.0 engine, Standard TMIC, VF43, RCM intake, full 3" decat, BC Coilovers, V-Power + 20% meth. Circa 390bhp/370lbft, 1495kg full standard weight.

So nothing special basically :D What are you intending to run?

:popcorn:

So Nothing Special Basically

390BHP you soon forget, 390BHP is a lot of power.


Thats a std subaru engine, unopened running 390BHP, thats special,
But good look in the rounds bud

Bez

Bez300
4th January 2013, 18:56
Bez - S3 - Newage WRX - 2.5L - 500bhp&500ft lb / approx 1250kg - wheels & tyres as yet not decided - crap suspension:D

toffee
4th January 2013, 18:57
^^^ :D looking forward to this years antics dude :D

RA Dunk
4th January 2013, 18:58
You can have a fair bit of fun with 390, I'm guessing I had 370(ish) last year with my little old 20G and had quite a bit of fun in anything I entered.

Bez300
4th January 2013, 19:06
^^^ :D looking forward to this years antics dude :D
Bid Q. Is yours going to be ready?

So looking forward to this year,
And I want to get one back on RA Dunk at Kames:D:D good drive bud.

Bez

toffee
4th January 2013, 19:11
Bid Q. Is yours going to be ready?

Bez

I hope so, but you know how these things go?? thankfully I have SD Motorsport on my side :cool:

RA Dunk
4th January 2013, 19:12
And I want to get one back on RA Dunk at Kames:D:D good drive bud.

Bez

Thanks Bez , Looking forward to doing it again. :D :cool:

Was quite happy with my day considering it was the first time in two years I had driven it.

Hoping for a few more horses this year too. :p

Don't think it's me you'll need to worry about though if BO55 is heading North as well! :cool:

MAD Hammer
4th January 2013, 19:13
Well if I make it off the reserve list you will be up against my type r - 2.5 gt30r circa 500/500 once I put the engine in :) approx 1150kg, gaz coilovers, 888's. Haven't read regs in detail but assume S2

p555sbr
4th January 2013, 19:19
only booked round one up to now but on the reserves for some others spec wise rb5 standard engine vf29 standard suspension uprated arb alk remap guess about 300-330 class s1

shawy1976
4th January 2013, 19:43
I hope so, but you know how these things go?? thankfully I have SD Motorsport on my side :cool:

Got my engine going to Stevens in the next week or so , get in line :)

Andy Hughes
4th January 2013, 19:49
Newage 2.1cdb , gt30 , power not known yet as Paul is mappin at end of month, hopefully bit more than last year. 1350kg

shawy1976
4th January 2013, 20:01
Newage wrx full fat 550/ 550 nice suspension .

ScoobyDoo69
4th January 2013, 20:06
So Nothing Special Basically

390BHP you soon forget, 390BHP is a lot of power.

Thats a std subaru engine, unopened running 390BHP, thats special,
But good look in the rounds bud

Bez

O I've no doubt it's decent power, however compared to the rest of S2, my car must be towards the bottom of the pile! I'm not expecting to do well for this reason, but as I've said, it's all about the fun for me. I've no intention of "going all out" or spending a fortune to try to win some points. I just enjoy sprinting style over track days :)

So we've got:

S1:

p555sbr - Classic RB5 - standard 2.0 engine vf29 standard suspension uprated arb alk remap 300-330bhp

S2:

andyscoobym3 - Newage 2.1cdb , gt30 , power not known yet 1350kg
MAD Hammer - Classic Type R - 2.5 gt30r circa 500/500 approx 1150kg, gaz coilovers, 888's
ScoobyDoo69 - Blobeye STi Type UK - Standard 2.0 engine, Standard TMIC, VF43, RCM intake, full 3" decat, BC Coilovers, V-Power + 20% meth. Circa 390bhp/370lbft, 1495kg full standard weight

S3:

Toffee - Newage Spec C - 2.35L - 600bhp&550ft lb / approx 1250kg - wheels & tyres as yet not decided - crap suspension
Bez - Newage WRX - 2.5L - 500bhp&500ft lb / approx 1250kg - wheels & tyres as yet not decided - crap suspension
shawy1976 - Newage WRX 550/550 - nice suspension - full weight

Andy Hughes
4th January 2013, 20:09
I am s3 mate

dbrad
4th January 2013, 20:11
S3 1992 Subaru Legacy 2.35, GT35, 650bhp

ScoobyDoo69
4th January 2013, 20:13
Updated :)

MSR
4th January 2013, 20:18
S3 1992 Subaru Legacy 2.35, GT35, 650bhp

Plain greedy!

Any idea on weight in yours?

spd(john)
4th January 2013, 20:20
Class S3.

Shell.

Fully striped out, Prodrive Grp A Rollcage, Fiberglass front/rear wings, Alloy bonnet.

Engine.

2.1 or 2.5 forged ( Undecided which one yet). Front mounted Turbo MD321V.

Suspension.

EXE-TC.

Transmission.

6 spd. (Spec unknown yet), SDM Gearbox Cradle.

Car weighed in at 1146kg last year, (hope to loose another 20kg for this season)

Steven
4th January 2013, 20:35
Andy F - s3 - rocket ship or fighter jet depending on circuit

MAD Hammer
4th January 2013, 20:38
Andy F - s3 - rocket ship or fighter jet depending on circuit

Lmao

dbrad
4th January 2013, 20:41
Plain greedy!

Any idea on weight in yours?

Yes mate I know exactly what it weighs but don't want to give it all away ;) I need some serious practice though as a light weight subaru with 600+ is a proper handful as you will soon find out :)

Andy.F
4th January 2013, 21:18
^^^
Stripped our classic Impreza weight I would guess.



Andy F - s3 - rocket ship or fighter jet depending on circuit

lol, get your G suit on for a pax lap this year Steven !

Steven
4th January 2013, 21:24
^^^
Stripped our classic Impreza weight I would guess.




lol, get your G suit on for a pax lap this year Steven !

Will do

stevebt
4th January 2013, 21:34
S3 1992 Subaru Legacy 2.35, GT35, 650bhp

Nice :D

Matt R
4th January 2013, 21:36
Type RA. 6 speed dccd. standard 2ltr Sti 9 engine. power maybe 400ish. weight unknown. Khumo's or 888's. S3 OMG lol

Davey96wrx
4th January 2013, 21:38
Shame there are so few S1 entries.

As a newcomer it "appears" all a bit too serious and only for folks with mega dosh prepped cars.

I started looking into it and the rules and forgive me for saying but it doesn't seem much fun unless you have spent a ridiculous amount.

I have a normal fast road pretty much stock impreza that I wouldn't mind having a go in, but because it has GAZ damping adjustable suspension and wilwoods 330's I'm out of the class and sure as hell wouldn't put my 270-80ish classic wrx against some competitors in S2

I guess I just feel a bit left out, I'm not going to go putting std brakes and suspension on my car to run though.

Rant over.

johnfelstead
4th January 2013, 21:44
You dont have to win to have fun!

I ran for years with basically stock spec cars, and spanked many a big build car, nothing stopping you doing the same apart from yourself.

Matt R
4th January 2013, 21:44
Shame there are so few S1 entries.

As a newcomer it "appears" all a bit too serious and only for folks with mega dosh prepped cars.

I started looking into it and the rules and forgive me for saying but it doesn't seem much fun unless you have spent a ridiculous amount.

I have a normal fast road pretty much stock impreza that I wouldn't mind having a go in, but because it has GAZ damping adjustable suspension and wilwoods 330's I'm out of the class and sure as hell wouldn't put my 270-80ish classic wrx against some competitors in S2

I guess I just feel a bit left out, I'm not going to go putting std brakes and suspension on my car to run though.

Rant over.

Whether you have 60bhp or 600bhp the fun is:

A. The banter than goes with the day
B. competing against friends
C. getting the most out of your car that your talent allows

I'm in S3 and have less power than the majority in S2. I can't drive for s**t. I spent half of last year either on the grass or getting towed back to the pits. I finished last in every event bar one. And I still had the biggest grin on my face and the most fun I've had in ages.

No offense but I think your outlook on it is all wrong tbh.

Andy.F
4th January 2013, 21:45
S3 Andy.F 95 Type RA, 3.5 H6 twin turbo, 780bhp in sprint spec, need to check weight once its rebuilt, KW version3, Dunlop X22 / Kumho V70's

p555sbr
4th January 2013, 21:49
Shame there are so few S1 entries.

As a newcomer it "appears" all a bit too serious and only for folks with mega dosh prepped cars.

I started looking into it and the rules and forgive me for saying but it doesn't seem much fun unless you have spent a ridiculous amount.

I have a normal fast road pretty much stock impreza that I wouldn't mind having a go in, but because it has GAZ damping adjustable suspension and wilwoods 330's I'm out of the class and sure as hell wouldn't put my 270-80ish classic wrx against some competitors in S2

I guess I just feel a bit left out, I'm not going to go putting std brakes and suspension on my car to run though.

Rant over.

your brakes are fine for s1 its only your suspension thats the problem it all about having a laugh at the end of the day

Andy Hughes
4th January 2013, 21:49
It's not all about power davey however it does help on the faster type tracks, take Teesside for example there was 400 ish hp newages going quicker than lists of cars in higher classes and much higher specs . It's very well organised series and everyone is very helpfully at each event, also you must remember as you say the guys with big spec and big power all started where you are now some not quite as good as your spec, so you learn from advise at each event and improve

wrxbart
4th January 2013, 21:50
S3 - ex wrc shell, carbon body fully caged. BC er coilovers wrc rear subframe, Sti 8 front subframe arms hubs. 2.35 gt 35, power don't know being honest. Weight hopeing to be around 1050kg.

p555sbr
4th January 2013, 21:52
S3 - ex wrc shell, carbon body fully caged. BC er coilovers wrc rear subframe, Sti 8 front subframe arms hubs. 2.35 gt 35, power don't know being honest. Weight hopeing to be around 1050kg.

you forgot the noz lol

Stick
4th January 2013, 21:53
I was hoping to enter a few this year but maybe only get to Teeside, I am a complete NOVICE in a basic spec Classic mste so will 100% be last in the class i would be in (S2) but i am entering for the crack, experience and to get a foot onto the long ladder,

Have to start somewhere and unfortunatly, its nearly always at the bottom:D

Davey96wrx
4th January 2013, 22:00
Whether you have 60bhp or 600bhp the fun is:

A. The banter than goes with the day
B. competing against friends
C. getting the most out of your car that your talent allows

I'm in S3 and have less power than the majority in S2. I can't drive for s**t. I spent half of last year either on the grass or getting towed back to the pits. I finished last in every event bar one. And I still had the biggest grin on my face and the most fun I've had in ages.

No offense but I think your outlook on it is all wrong tbh.

Sounds like what would happen to me! Haha

Maybe I'm looking at it wrong, it was just my first impression after looking at rules and the MSA tyre lists.

S1 doesn't quite seem right though in my opinion, you could have a Sti Spec C against for example my 96wrx, he has larger injectors and much better braking and handling as std.

Using the std injector rule, I'm limited to 380cc injectors which even at 3.2 bar will only net just about 300hp while newage Sti motors have bigger injectors taking them to what 370? its more than my puny injectors anyway, they also have avcs heads, some are twin scroll aswell.

The class just seems a bit wrong!

Surely there should be a ;

S1 Classic for all classics up to the max std injector size of 440cc fitted as std to classics.

S1 Newage for all newage impreza's fitted with a max std injector size of 550cc as fitted to std newage

RA Dunk
4th January 2013, 22:00
S2 STi RA, BC's RM inverted, 2.35, PPG Kit, Turbo dunno yet?? :confused: R888's/Kumho V70's Med.

Andy.F
4th January 2013, 22:10
Davey, with only 20 cars the classes are always going to be wide. Also keep in mind that your car is much lighter than a newage Sti so needs less power to go as fast, also there are benefits in handling and braking from the lower weight.

johnfelstead
4th January 2013, 22:10
You could run 440's in S1 in any classic.
Newage cars weigh a lot more, a decent classic to S1 spec has a Power/weight advantage, not disadvantage, in most cases.

Matt R
4th January 2013, 22:12
There were cars last year with 350hp wiping the floor with cars that had 600hp. Why? Cos the driver knew how to drive.

You'd be better off spending 2k on driving tuition than towards some add on that will give you an extra 100hp.

Trust me, I'm learning the hard way. No point in having xxxbhp if you can't drive or control it.

wrxbart
4th January 2013, 22:14
Agree with u Matt.

Steven
4th January 2013, 22:18
Top post Matt!

The likes of Dan and Paul did very well last year.

Davey96wrx
4th January 2013, 22:20
So I could run 440 injectors even though they are not std for my model if car?

With regard to the comment about weight advantage, granted there is an advantage over the newage models, but what about handling, and throttle response advantages the newage cars have?

So with Wilwood 330mm 4 pots I'm ok in this class? But the non coilover damping adjustable GAZ suspension is not allowed? Just want to be clear incase I change my mind haha
I feel like I'm taking the thread off topic so apologise to the OP.

I may come along as a spectator to one of the first rounds and see what's what.

Cheers for all viewpoints though, has made me think

Andy.F
4th January 2013, 22:21
Just looking at some data on Snetterton sprint circuit, seen as one of the 'power' circuits yet only 18 seconds of a 43 second lap were on full throttle.

johnfelstead
4th January 2013, 22:25
As i understand the regs, so long as the injectors were fitted standard to a classic, you could use them.
Your brakes are not OK, you have to use standard diameter disks.

Steven
4th January 2013, 22:28
Just looking at some data on Snetterton sprint circuit, seen as one of the 'power' circuits yet only 18 seconds of a 43 second lap were on full throttle.
Lol ;)
It's more technical than you think is that course!
Look at my avatar, that's me exiting the second corner in 4th gear when I thought it went right not left! It did teach me I could take it in fourth rather than 3rd. Only problem then was I was too late on the brakes for the next corner! Proper fun though!

Andy.F
4th January 2013, 22:30
My classic was supplied new in the UK with 330mm discs ! Prodrive factory fitted.

Davey96wrx
4th January 2013, 22:30
Interesting data Andy! Although I think in your case you mean 18 seconds of warp factor 10! Haha

Ok John thought that didn't seem right about the brakes, are you sure my direct drop in replacement GAZ suspension cannot be allowed, it has adjustment for basically how hard you crash over bumps and that's it?

Steven
4th January 2013, 22:30
So I could run 440 injectors even though they are not std for my model if car?

With regard to the comment about weight advantage, granted there is an advantage over the newage models, but what about handling, and throttle response advantages the newage cars have?

So with Wilwood 330mm 4 pots I'm ok in this class? But the non coilover damping adjustable GAZ suspension is not allowed? Just want to be clear incase I change my mind haha
I feel like I'm taking the thread off topic so apologise to the OP.

I may come along as a spectator to one of the first rounds and see what's what.

Cheers for all viewpoints though, has made me think
Will try answer tomorrow when chilled, but either way bring your helmet, sign on and jump on passenger of anyone who says yes, it will give you a massive insight into it.

shawy1976
4th January 2013, 22:33
There were cars last year with 350hp wiping the floor with cars that had 600hp. Why? Cos the driver knew how to drive.

You'd be better off spending 2k on driving tuition than towards some add on that will give you an extra 100hp.

Trust me, I'm learning the hard way. No point in having xxxbhp if you can't drive or control it.

what cars had 350 horses beating 600bhp cars ?

wrxbart
4th January 2013, 22:33
Passenger lap in mine is no prob I'm a sensible driver ;)

Andy.F
4th January 2013, 22:35
Probably him ^^^ at Teeside :D


what cars had 350 horses beating 600bhp cars ?

Steven
4th January 2013, 22:35
what cars had 350 horses beating 600bhp cars ?

Oulton results

Davey96wrx
4th January 2013, 22:37
Passenger lap in mine is no prob I'm a sensible driver ;)

Yes please:D

I'll bring a spare set of eyeballs after they've squished into the back of my eye sockets....

Steven
4th January 2013, 22:38
Interesting data Andy! Although I think in your case you mean 18 seconds of warp factor 10! Haha

Ok John thought that didn't seem right about the brakes, are you sure my direct drop in replacement GAZ suspension cannot be allowed, it has adjustment for basically how hard you crash over bumps and that's it?
I suspect he is referring to my data, a run of which you can see in the calendar thread.

Andy.F
4th January 2013, 22:39
Like he said, warp factor 10!!

wrxbart
4th January 2013, 22:41
Oulton results

Steven beat me at oulton in stevebt car with a lot less power!!

johnfelstead
4th January 2013, 22:42
My classic was supplied new in the UK with 330mm discs ! Prodrive factory fitted.
I forgot about the prodrive alcons fitted to the P1, so thats OK then.

Davey96wrx
4th January 2013, 22:45
I forgot about the prodrive alcons fitted to the P1, so thats OK then.


That's good news!





This is gonna get expensive.............

johnfelstead
4th January 2013, 22:46
Interesting data Andy! Although I think in your case you mean 18 seconds of warp factor 10! Haha

Ok John thought that didn't seem right about the brakes, are you sure my direct drop in replacement GAZ suspension cannot be allowed, it has adjustment for basically how hard you crash over bumps and that's it?

see the update on brakes thanks to Andy.

If the struts are adjustable, even crap ones, then they dont comply.
You could sell them on to fund some good quality none adjustable units, you'd probably go quicker and have a nicer car to boot for very little expense.

Steven
4th January 2013, 23:02
Steven beat me at oulton in stevebt car with a lot less power!!

Everton supporter ;)

wrxbart
4th January 2013, 23:03
Everton supporter ;)

What!!!!

Steven
4th January 2013, 23:11
What!!!!

Think about, and where he came in results!

Ps sorry Lee but you did chuckle about it yourself ;)

shawy1976
4th January 2013, 23:15
Yep lee wast last think adge won ?
There's hope for a podium then , instead of picking yours up bart lol .

wrxbart
4th January 2013, 23:18
Lol.

shawy1976
4th January 2013, 23:25
Will pm or text you tomorrow Steven about engine ... should be getting it back of alyn mid January.

Baly
5th January 2013, 00:44
Passenger lap in mine is no prob I'm a sensible driver ;)

I re-collect your other half saying something different about your driving at Silverstone Rob. hehe :D

Arch
5th January 2013, 01:17
Just looking at some data on Snetterton sprint circuit, seen as one of the 'power' circuits yet only 18 seconds of a 43 second lap were on full throttle.

Probably very similar to Boyndie and Golspie up here in terms of percentage time flat out and the bigger power cars have always destroyed the lower power cars purely on the straights. This was clear to me the year I had the 2.5 with the 20G the car was so responsive it was unreal and I was as quick as any of the cars in class on the infield but as soon as the bigger power cars got on the straights it was impossible to match it and you just couldnt claw the time back.

Justin A
5th January 2013, 07:56
Also with snetterton most of the corners are high speed exits, so power is a big advantage for those 18 secs.

Justin A
5th January 2013, 08:46
S2 - Classic STI RA - 2.1 - MD321T - <1200kg

Dan Lewis
5th January 2013, 12:01
what cars had 350 horses beating 600bhp cars ?

:D

Seriously power isn't everything.

shawy1976
5th January 2013, 13:26
:D

Seriously power isn't everything.

No its not but id rather have it :D
Fair play to those with 350 horses doing well ,I'm no driving god so I like more power .
I'd be amazed if 350 bhp is anywhere near enough to get a podium in class 2/3 @ snetterton blyton and the lotus track.

stevebt
5th January 2013, 13:42
They may put a chicane or two up on the straights to level the playing field out?

Andy.F
5th January 2013, 13:56
They put Oulton, Kames and Teeside in the calendar to do just that lol

stevebt
5th January 2013, 14:19
I only picked the tracks hoping they were going to be for power? Mine will still be too heavy though compared to some others.

.Stu
5th January 2013, 15:10
I only picked the tracks hoping they were going to be for power? Mine will still be too slow with me driving though, compared to some others with half the bhp.

Well we all new that!

stevebt
5th January 2013, 16:02
Stu, you may of known that but i only picked them from hearing other peoples opinions of the tracks.

johnfelstead
5th January 2013, 16:43
I had maybe 420BHP at Blyton with at least 1600kg with me and the fuel taken into account, the brakes were shocking there too, yet only just missed out on winning S2. Power/weight isnt everything, even at these fast circuits you can gain a lot of time by getting the corners right.

p555sbr
5th January 2013, 17:47
my way of looking at it is sort the cars handling out then start to look at upping the power better to have a car that handles than one that xxxbhp and tries to kill you at every courner like matts did last season as much fun as it was to watch it wasn't how a car should be

toffee
5th January 2013, 19:23
Think about, and where he came in results!

Ps sorry Lee but you did chuckle about it yourself ;)

Oi what you pickin on me for :D

blah blah blah boring about people moaning about car spec who are entering S1 or S2, the biggest difference in car specs will be happening in S3. Turn up, do your best and end of!!!!

As for having lots of horse power, its no advantage at all, if you do well its only because of the bhp, if you dont everyone says horse isnt everything!!!!? damned if you do and damned if you don't!! heard all the same crap when I was riding a 1000cc bike and all the guys on 600s were always whining :D

shawy1976
5th January 2013, 23:20
They put Oulton, Kames and Teeside in the calendar to do just that lol

Lol didn't see 350 bhp win those either maybe adge whos suspension and brakes cost 15k and used his experience to run the right tyres
Not looked up results , think kames was won by twin turbo 800 bhp evo teeside totally stripped 700 bhp evo followed by banana .

Steven
5th January 2013, 23:33
Oulton was weird. Adge had the rally car and same box as nana! Yet I was a second away from him in Steve's road car! Nana would have been superb there just for the seamless shifting through gears.
oulton Will teach you how to drive no matter what you have and leave you with a smile!
Kames was won by Dunc iirc, so an s2 car. Donald won overall, but Liddy made him think twice about the "walk I the park" at his local(ish) sprint he perceived he would have (despite what he may say).

RA Dunk
5th January 2013, 23:41
Kames was won by Dunc iirc, so an s2 car. Donald won overall, but Liddy made him think twice about the "walk I the park" at his local(ish) sprint he perceived he would have (despite what he may say).

Paulo Spec C won it, I finished second equal then flipped a coin for the second place trophy and lost moving me into third. :biggrinjester:

stevebt
6th January 2013, 00:25
Oulton was weird. Adge had the rally car and same box as nana! Yet I was a second away from him in Steve's road car! ).

I hated Oulton and I think Lee will agree with me, no matter where I thought I had grip I didn't and when I thought I would boot it and it will come good it wouldn't .

There was parts that had grip but I never got to master the handbrake on the bits that had no grip which was most of the track for me. I still remember booting out of a corner thinking the slide will correct itself and it didn't it just dragged me in to the crap and a massive kerb.

johnfelstead
6th January 2013, 00:32
There is grip everywhere steve, it's just less than you are used to. You should try the MIRA wet test facility if you want properly low grip surfaces. :D

shawy1976
6th January 2013, 00:52
Talking to adge about oulton park if I remember rightly he said the surface was made with a mix of glass ?

toffee
6th January 2013, 01:27
it should not be a surprise that a rally driver in a rally car on a rally circuit did very well indeed, you would assume a go kart driver in a go kart on a go kart track would also do very well:D

Oulton for me was very tough, although I did have time to try and learn to drift a bit. I was watching other folk and also listening to Dougie who had rides in other cars about using the handbrake, my handbrake wasnt up to the job at all and made no difference. As it was only the second event of the year I was wondering where my driving standard actually was, after a good result at Snetterton and then followed by a bad day at Oulton I wasnt sure which way the rest of the season was going to go. As stated to Steven, although I was happy with a few of my results I went to Teeside with a point to prove after Oultons bad day, I was happy with how Teeside went, so on reflection I am certain it does take a good amount of skill to do well at Oulton, but having some grip also helps, I think the 265 888s were just not suited to this circuit at all. Running 9.5" wheels means I could not run the rally spec tyres that most others ran. In 2013 I will more than likely be using 270 slicks on 10.5" wheels in the dry and 265 MSA 1A tyres in the wet.

We should not ignore our overall finishing positions from each event, I certainly don't. In 2012 I went to each event looking for a top 10 finish. In 2013 I want to close the gap on the top guys as previously stated, on a positive note I came 2nd overall to Rob at Snetterton, cool? not really he was 3+ seconds faster than me on a very short circuit, so not that great of a result really. "IF" I can half that difference in 2013 I will be very chuffed :D

Nathan Lockley
6th January 2013, 01:50
Talking to adge about oulton park if I remember rightly he said the surface was made with a mix of glass ?

your right neil is glass infused..

think driving on marbles...lol

Dan Lewis
6th January 2013, 04:11
No its not but id rather have it :D
Fair play to those with 350 horses doing well ,I'm no driving god so I like more power .
I'd be amazed if 350 bhp is anywhere near enough to get a podium in class 2/3 @ snetterton blyton and the lotus track.

With the ammount of full power time at castle Combe I would have thought I would have done far worse but actually it was my only podium finish of the year! I think brakes can be a much more influential factor than people think rather than outright power even on some of the more power orientated circuits

shawy1976
6th January 2013, 13:23
With the ammount of full power time at castle Combe I would have thought I would have done far worse but actually it was my only podium finish of the year! I think brakes can be a much more influential factor than people think rather than outright power even on some of the more power orientated circuits

Was speaking to andy yesterday about 350 bhp cars and he mentioned how well you did at combe ...and paulo spec c with 450bhp , what turbo you running dan ?

rooferman555
6th January 2013, 13:35
Paulo only had 380 ish iirc....

Andy Hughes
6th January 2013, 13:38
Dan has concentrated on susp , brakes and tyres mate. Exe-tc susp and I believe he was running Dunlop x12 tyres and trick brakes, set up and supported by chevron coupled with a light classic ( compared to new ages ) IMO he has spent the money in the right areas and it works

johnfelstead
6th January 2013, 14:12
I am certain it does take a good amount of skill to do well at Oulton, but having some grip also helps, I think the 265 888s were just not suited to this circuit at all. Running 9.5" wheels means I could not run the rally spec tyres that most others ran. In 2013 I will more than likely be using 270 slicks on 10.5" wheels in the dry and 265 MSA 1A tyres in the wet.



Grip on my S2 spec rally tyres was hopeless there, they just didnt work. I ended up running on MSA list 1B 235's.
S3 spec rally tyres would work better, best of all would be some Avon hillclimb intermediate cut tyres.

Dan Lewis
6th January 2013, 14:15
Turbo is one of the original md304's so it really can't flow enough air for any more than 350 and I don't think the cast pistons in the uk bottom end would cope with much more anyway.
Brakes wise it has one of the early ap 4pot kits that was shipped with the 304mm discs, however due to the vast expense of those discs as they don't make many I have had a set of new bells made up to take 330mm PF discs.
Tyres at Combe were cr311 x12's after I turned my 888's into 50p pieces at Blyton by putting it sideways thru the finish at 90 mph! :D
Setup has been done at Chevron, all the mechanical work by me and mapping by Bob Rawle.
It might be a lighter classic but it's by no means a lightweight special it's still mostly a uk spec car!

shawy1976
6th January 2013, 16:37
Paulo only had 380 ish iirc....

Thought he had similar turbo to john ? Unlucky if he blew a spec c engine at that power , 12** kilos aswell .

johnfelstead
6th January 2013, 16:57
At combe he had a lower spec turbo than i used on my final spec and retained the stock TMIC.
For Teeside Paul used the same turbo spec as mine but at only 1.5BAR and fitted a Chevron TMIC, still using a stock 2.0 litre engine.

Andy Hughes
27th February 2013, 21:00
my car is ready now thanks to andy , scott , neil and antony @ scoobyspares its so good to have it back to how i wanted it. i am now a happy bunny

rooferman555
27th February 2013, 22:00
Glad its all ready fella.....see ya soon and thanks for the advise last week.