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Fuzz
28th May 2005, 07:08
Still at least four or five places that could be filled today if you want to.
Starts in an Hour! :D
no rush, we'll be there all day I expect.
30


Andy

Simon_
28th May 2005, 08:17
Is you going to post results on here smile.gif

Fuzz
28th May 2005, 16:08
I'm still at work at the moment waiting for some bits to come in for some old oil burner but yep, when I get home, some of you might be in for a shock... I fecking know I was.. :eek:
I have all the graphs in pdf on a USB dongle but no way to access my upload space from here.
Powerstation say that it's the highest powered uk impreza they have seen to date..
I thought it felt nippy on the way in to work. redface.gif


Andy

Slooby
28th May 2005, 16:44
:cool:

Paul@Zen
28th May 2005, 18:01
is it fair to say that you are getting used to it now, and the old butt dyno needs "recalibrating" ?

Paul

Fuzz
28th May 2005, 19:10
I dont mind putting my pdf up as it has my reg number on which I cant erase,
everyone elses I'm converting to jpg to get round that, which is taking an age....

So here is mine,


http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/copy%20of%20lps%20300021.pdf

The rest when I have sorted out who is who...

Andy. chuffed bunny. :D

Slooby
28th May 2005, 19:17
:eek: I'm not surprised! :eek:

Steven
28th May 2005, 19:30
WOW :eek:

Massive drivetrain loss?

Sure i got in the region of 290-300bhp ATW at prosport, but converted to 360ish.

Anyhow, nice one Andy.

Paul@Zen
28th May 2005, 19:36
the wheel losses are probably about right for the dyno, the Maha units seem to generate very high losses on cars, which will vary with the level that each car is strapped down.

If it was taken to a different set of rollers I dare say the wheel power would be significantly higher.

A link log and play with dataloglab would be interesting i am sure.

Andy,

I have emailed you a copy with plate edited out.

Paul

Andy.F
28th May 2005, 19:42
Don't think I've ever seen as high as 150bhp losses even on a Maha ??

Print out states 298bhp but graph shows well over 300 ??

Andy

Fuzz
28th May 2005, 20:49
to whom did you mail that to Paul as I have nothing. :confused:

andy@ashlyn.plus.com is my current one
unless you use msn.. andyc944@hotmail.com


Andy

Slooby
28th May 2005, 22:16
I see Bob Iles is still out there causing trouble, was a bit worried as I hadn't heard much from him in a long time ;)

Fuzz
28th May 2005, 22:19
He's been rather ill Tim.

Paul@Zen
28th May 2005, 22:21
I used the hotmail address, but resent to the ashlyn addy

Fuzz
28th May 2005, 22:23
In acending order.. we have

26.Graham Firth (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/grahamfirth.jpg) with 183.6 BHP
25.Dave Harries (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/daveharries.jpg) with 191.0 BHP
24.Matt Wilson (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/mattwilson.jpg) with 199.3
23.Rich Senter (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/richsenter.jpg) with 208.6
22.Ian Drew (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/iandrew.jpg) with 218.9
21.Lee B (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/leeb.jpg) with 221.3
20.Mathew Dale (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/mathewdale.jpg) with 240.9
19.Lee Edwards (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/leeedwards.jpg) with 255.6
18.Dave evans (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/daveevans.jpg) with 257.5
17.Austen Greenway (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/austengreenway.jpg) with 261.9
16.Paul Hickling (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/paulhickling.jpg) with 265.8
15.Rupert Griffiths (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/rupertgriffiths.jpg) with 267.9
14.Chris Garner (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/chrisgarner.jpg) with 270.5
13.N Edwards (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/nedwards.jpg) with 290.6
12.Tony Chan (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/tonychan.jpg) with 298.9
11.Richard Hopkins (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/richardhopkins.jpg) with 303.6
10.Adrian Loke (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/adrianloke.jpg) with 313.7
9.Neil Cooper (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/neilcooper.jpg) with 315.3
8.Bob Isles (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/bobisles.jpg) with 318.9
7.Dan Lewis (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/danlewis.jpg) with 322.4
6.Tim Welbourne (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/timwelbourne.jpg) with 331.3
5.Floyd Merrison (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/floydmerrison.jpg) with 333.1
4.Seth freegard (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/sethfreegard.jpg) with 336.5
3.Paul Cole (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/paulcole.jpg) with 362.9
2.R B (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/rb.jpg) with 401.0
1.ME :D :D (http://www.ashlyn.plus.com/work/shootout/andycookson.jpg) with 448.4


Ok Cheers Paul, should get it soon on plusnet, they are pretty good.
Still nothing on msn :rolleyes:


Andy

Paul@Zen
28th May 2005, 22:29
Looking at your graph, I wonder if the operator didn't start to lift the throttle as he approaced 7000rpm?

what car did Seth Freegard have??? R33 (looked on SN)

Paul

Fuzz
28th May 2005, 22:55
Why? you think Rich's ringpiece was begining to tighten? :D
I said he could rev it as far as he needed to and that rev cut was at 7300-7400

Andy

Slooby
29th May 2005, 07:53
Originally posted by Andy Cookson:
He's been rather ill Tim. Thought as much, hope he's (you're if you are reasing this Bob ;) ) on the mend now...miss him stirring things up ;)

SecretAgentMan
29th May 2005, 08:43
Not to bring a vegetarian to the bbq....but....~300 wheel hp...~450 at the crank?

Someone has a very, very, very hot gearbox/rear diff.

:eek:

I'm missing something.

/J

SecretAgentMan
29th May 2005, 08:44
Oh...I bought Iles old Link (it's still in my car, had numerous s/w upgrades though), I remember really liking the fella - hope he's alright. smile.gif

/J

Fuzz
29th May 2005, 09:14
Less drag than RB's car with 401bhp..
As Paul says, MAHA's way of reading it I suppose.

In fact, less drag than the top 4 bloody cars !


Andy

[ 29. May 2005, 10:19 AM: Message edited by: Andy Cookson ]

T-uk
29th May 2005, 11:18
andy,

what mods are you running these days , what are the main changes since your last PS run?

Fuzz
29th May 2005, 11:21
race fuel, timing and fuel leanness settings.

The only thing that has changed is the exhaust..
now have a nice quiet revolution 3" full system on there, instead of that drainpipe armaggedon thing.


Andy

Andy Peanuts
29th May 2005, 13:30
I bet Chris Garner wasnt chuffed, especially if he still has his white sti4.

Well done on your figure though, excellent to see the UK's making power :cool:

Fuzz
29th May 2005, 14:50
he blew a slip joint in his headers... :D

I saw him out the back a bit later beating the underside of the engine, he didn't run again. :(


Andy

Floyd
5th June 2005, 18:15
Tim, I managed to have a quick chat with Bob.

Floyd
5th June 2005, 18:15
The Skyline looked more powerfull than the result.

F

Fuzz
5th June 2005, 21:28
standard engine, 5K paintwork ;)


Andy

David_Wallis
5th June 2005, 23:27
andy...

no shit but just seen this thread.. do you believe that figure? and what did you get without the race fuel?

Lowest figure I can get out of mine is 370bhp iirc.. @ 0.6bar on snotti max.. just wondered (as I know your rr'd a week before) what you got then?

David

Floyd
6th June 2005, 07:40
Andys result is encouragement to all the remaining 2.0L UK std internals guys. I think there should be a new discussion thread about this What is the cheapest, most reliable and most flexible way to achieve 400BHP on a UK 2.0L and is this possible on pump fuel? I do realise he was using Race Fuel (and nice smelling it was too).

F

Andy Peanuts
6th June 2005, 09:23
Ill ask here as well,
what pistons are in the sti9 short blocks at PS??
Andy

Floyd
6th June 2005, 10:10
I thought they were Hyperneurotic ;)

F

Andy Peanuts
6th June 2005, 11:22
I hope not, but would like to know conclusively.
if they are hyper-go-lucky then I wont be buying one.

Fuzz
6th June 2005, 12:46
Peanuts,

Sorry for the delayed reply on SN, wanted to confirm with Litcho what was what before spouting off. :D
They are Hyperdrive whassis name :D
Bear in mind though that Group N cars are using standard internals and 1.7BAR...

David, no I dont believe it,though I cannot prove it either way, it wasn't wheel spinning, it wasn't left foot braked on the coast down,
no perameters were fiddled with on the pc.
30 odd people stood there with me and watched it..
Good pub figures though none the less:D:D

It ran 339 a few weeks before hand but bear in mind the FPR was adjusted a long time ago when I thought it had "crept out" (you may or may not remember the post I did here about it.)

Andy

Fuzz
6th June 2005, 12:50
Floyd, expecting a standard internaled car to last on that sort of map / fuel / power is daft..
It "may" :rolleyes: have made that on the day but driving it about on the road for a week it was not a happy little engine.. It felt and sounded "strained"


Andy

Steven
6th June 2005, 13:38
I always think results like that are fairly amusing :D

I knew you were running race fuel (via Wallis), and a far biger turbo than i was running on my 2.0l, so expected a good figure.

We all know a few standard internal 2.0l's have surpassed 400 on a given day, but for how long.

Floyd, as for 400 being achievable as a "daily drive" and being durable, i think its a no no, but then i suppose it does depend on how you define "daily drive".

My "daily drive" was a 90 mile round trip with a mix of town driving, fast to stupid fast cruise, heavy country road use and ocassional saunter.

My 2.0l stood up to nearly 2 years, and 50000 miles of fairly serious abuse, most of those miles in excess of 340bhp and 320lbft.

It ran Optimax, and nothing else, got serviced at or around 7500miles, and also endured in excess of 100+ drag runs. It died 2 weeks after recording 360 ish bhp and 340 ish lbft torque at prosport, god bless it (part of it is now being subject to abuse in Pauls car).

The last 6 months of that engine, i was expecting it to die, i knew it wouldnt take what i was throwing at it, and tbh it lasted longer than i thought.

Theres no point in having 400+ if you dont actually use it, its not worth the hassle, cost of maintenance. If your going for 400, use it properly, but dont expect it to last.

Andy, nice figures, keep using it as you describe, and the STI9 SB will come in handy ;) :D

Steven

(hope you prove me wrong)

Floyd
6th June 2005, 14:42
Interesting reading your thoughts on this Steven. Do we believe that 340ish BHP is a reasonable target for a reliable UK 2.0L? My 333BHP certainly feels handy enough for most driving conditions. Lets face it if I came across an M3 or EVO or anything else of similar power on the road, then the speeds you would need to find out who is quicker, would be insane on public roads. If I wanted to convincingly beat any of these cars then Id need 450BHP or a Radical etc.

To get me to the next level will require most certainly a new box, a bigger turbo, bigger injectors, new zorst, headers and possibly a FMIC. Lots of money and yet more time. Diminishing returns perhaps, unless I slap a 2.5 under the bits I have already and then maybe Im looking at 360BHP? The trouble with 2.5s is the difficult insurance issues though :(

F

Steven
6th June 2005, 14:58
IMO, 350~360 and a similar relationship of torque is perfect on the Impreza for every day, whatever you meet it can deal with, kind of driving. Anymore and you start having to comprise/adapt other things to suit the power of the engine.

My 2.5 was wonderful, albeit for the brief period i used it, but i suspect this was down to it not truly living up to its potential, the tractability was excellent, i just couldnt push it more cross country than i could the 2.0l, well not noticeable anyway.

A slight contrast i know, but when i drove David Wallis' car properly on a couple of back roads (exactly how i would have driven my own car in that situation) i wasnt impressed with the way the power was delivered, it was fun dont get me wrong, but i couldnt live with that setup everyday.

Going for 400 adds lag IMO, unless you add capacity, and the lag doesnt make an everyday car IMO.

The only car i have driven that came close to my 2.0l was Alan Bells Green classic, and that was in performance, chasis and braking wise, it wasnt in the same league.

I persoanlly, would not recomend going beyond 360 on a uk standard engine without expecting trouble as a daily driver.

Steven

ps remember my definition of daily driver

T-uk
7th June 2005, 23:28
The last 6 months of that engine, i was expecting it to die, i knew it wouldnt take what i was throwing at it, and tbh it lasted longer than i thought.that is how I am feeling about mine now.

I think I might have lost a bit of oil pressure at warm idle and am wondering if this is the first sign of a rod bolt stretching? it is only a very small drop , not even 0.2bar ,even with fresh oil , but having run this spec for 2years I have a feeling it will soon "go". probably at crail this weekend if I go :rolleyes: .I was going to remove the engine as a spare or sell it , but not now. if it had sti heads I would not run it but since it has UK heads , what the hell.

Simon_
8th June 2005, 07:18
T-uk,

I too recently lost a little oil pressure at hot idle.. 0.2bar exactly.. changed the oil and still the same.. changed from Link to Apexi and the idle is more stable and I have the 0.2bar extra back.. but I think that would be classed as cheating and on the Apexi it would have been 0.2bar higher in the first place, now running 1.45bar for good measure.

Doing about 2000miles in the next two weeks so will see what happens :eek: about time it died really it has done way too many miles.

lol
Simon

Steven
8th June 2005, 07:30
1.45 bar boost or oil pressure??

Simon_
8th June 2005, 07:33
lol.. sorry..

boost is 1.45bar..

Oil pressure on idle is on now 2.2bar~2bar
which WAS normal on the Link but it dropped to 2bar~1.8bar..
when oil is hot I see 4.5bar from 2500rpm upto about 6bar at 5000rpm but not sure after that I am too busy watching other displays and the road.
Cold idle is something ridiculas like 6.8bar and 8bar when at 2500rpm.

Simon

David_Wallis
8th June 2005, 11:31
I was told if the pressure drops I was told it could be a sign of a bearing going.

T-uk... It might be better to strip it rather than kill it.. A partially working engine is worth more iyswim.

Slooby
8th June 2005, 11:48
Originally posted by David Wallis:
It might be better to strip it rather than kill it.. That's why I decided not to push my original engine any harder and replace it...ok it's taking a long time, but that's my own fault, but I still have a back engine and all the ancileries were undamaged so I was able to free up a tidy sum by selling some of them off ;)

Steven
8th June 2005, 11:54
When mine died, it killed a lot of other things.

T-uk
8th June 2005, 12:19
I am seeing the same values as JGM . the reason I noticed it is that the SPA warning tripped after a fast road thrash . this has never happened , even on track with hotter oil after about 10mins of abuse keeping jb behind me tongue.gif so you could say the old 2litre was working hard :D .

it could be a bearing as you say as I still get this gear change det , when fast shifting and it has not holed a piston yet , so perhaps the bearing has compressed. I was hoping the apexi ecu would have cured this but it failed to , so went back to my tried and tested ecutek. interestingly I cannot get jb's to det on changes since the maf conversion but could before on maf based. we now have the parts to convert mine also , to see if it cures it but it can wait for a new engine now.


T-uk... It might be better to strip it rather than kill it.. A partially working engine is worth more iyswimunderstand what your saying david but I am having a few problems with my back at the moment , so removal wont be happening until the summer works out the way. if it lasts the summer great, if it fails it can get flung in a shed until later and I can decide exactly what I want to do. at the moment , if it does not wreck the heads I might try and get a PS/litch newage block and just leave everything else. a total loss would leave me looking for a sti6 type engine I think.

Simon_
8th June 2005, 12:27
Funny you should mention gear change det as I get the same having just gone to Apexi from Link.

There is a definite blast of fuel on lift off that the MAF causes as I am running no dump valve.
Det spike goes to 58 on Apexi scale.. cannot hear it through the cans though.

T-uk
8th June 2005, 13:15
we cant hear it with the det cans either.

on the 5speed we eventually decided it was probably the synchros failing , as I could feel them complaining through the stick but then it failed and it still did it with the 6speed , with no nasty-ness felt through the stick. as mentioned earlier , I just could not get it to happen on jb's apexi ecu conversion and having logged with apexi on both cars , it did look like the injectors lagged behind the maf where as jb's simulated show the injectors and simulated maf following each other.

http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000566;p=3

Simon_
8th June 2005, 13:23
I remember reading the other thread..

do you think DV air is going through MAF on your car too?

My AFR goes from 15.5AFr to 13.5AFR on cruise lift off... lol and you can hear it exit the air filter via the MAF in reverse flow etc..

Not looked on WOT lift off at AFR usually trying to keep it on the road or look at some other display.

Simon

Paul@Zen
8th June 2005, 18:46
My Autronic has configurable decelleration enleanment, perhaps this is what is causing the problems, it's very common on PFC and OE ECU.

Autronic has brought smoothness back into my life with the GT35R.

T-uk
8th June 2005, 21:09
do you think DV air is going through MAF on your car too?I have never tried running without a dump valve , running a strongly sprung forge was enough. I hated the reverse pulsing. the recovery between gear change might improve but too much of the balance can be lost by what feels to be very "all or nothing". with normal daily type driving I found that say on a dual carriageway you would go for a gap in the outside lane using 1bar boost and then get a hellish jolt as going back to flow boost and then cruise if that makes sense. in the twisties I was not keen on the way the car could get unsettled for nothing other than the strong dump valve. I recall alang trying my car with the forge and finding the same. I now run the standard valve.

Fuzz
8th June 2005, 22:33
Yep, I might be able to explain it better being as mine does it :D
If you go for full boost (i.e WOT) then back off to cruise throttel then it does "shunt" a little.
Quite why this is a problem I'm not sure, it's a minor grievance compared to the way it goes through the gears..


Andy

Simon_
8th June 2005, 22:34
Originally posted by Pavlo:
My Autronic has configurable decelleration enleanment, perhaps this is what is causing the problems, it's very common on PFC and OE ECU.

Autronic has brought smoothness back into my life with the GT35R. So does the GEMs, not that it seems to be used other than 100 bloody % injected fuel on a closed throttle.. lol
The PFC seems okay on this as the injected fuel due to lift off and air through the MAF reduces the jolt.

Simon_
8th June 2005, 22:35
I can see what T-uk means but am with Andy I drive around it.. but the pick up between changes is worth the grievance..

Simon

Paul@Zen
8th June 2005, 23:18
No such jolts or judders with MAP based ECU and no DV.

Fuzz
8th June 2005, 23:28
am running a map based ECU....


Andy

UK500
8th June 2005, 23:29
I recall alang trying my car with the forge and finding the sameYeah i remember that T-uk. Is no big deal, more of a nuisance on straights, but through bends where you may have to alter throttle position to get round some of them, could unsettle the car in such a way that you lose grip on the road.
Much better if it didn't do it at all, to maintain a nice smooth flow through bends. IYSWIM.

Fuzz
8th June 2005, 23:34
but it doesn't do it when feathering...
Only from WOT
Going to cruise from WOT is not a good idea mid bend anyway. :D
I'm not one of these 1/4 milers either I do like to use the twisties, not stacked it yet... ;)

Andy

T-uk
9th June 2005, 08:13
it was from part throttle mine was worst . I found it worse only using around a bar on part throttle , than WOT and about 1.4bar.

you could drive around it and feathering the throttle did seem to help but when you close on a R1 , on a fast sweeping bend at 140 , sometimes feathering would give you a big leather clad bonnet emblem.

Paul@Zen
9th June 2005, 08:48
How do you normally get the leather stains off the bonnet? Do Autoglym do any "biker removal cream" for cars? ;)

Paul

Simon_
9th June 2005, 08:57
Last time I had contacted with a car in my leathers he was more concerned about the bumper than the stains on the bonnet as I removed half of the front bumper with my leg and that was before I got off the bike and kicked the feck out of it.. :rolleyes:

Simon_
10th June 2005, 06:48
Originally posted by T-uk:
we cant hear it with the det cans either.

on the 5speed we eventually decided it was probably the synchros failing , as I could feel them complaining through the stick but then it failed and it still did it with the 6speed , with no nasty-ness felt through the stick. as mentioned earlier , I just could not get it to happen on jb's apexi ecu conversion and having logged with apexi on both cars , it did look like the injectors lagged behind the maf where as jb's simulated show the injectors and simulated maf following each other.

http://bbs.22b.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=000566;p=3 solved mine.. made it slightly richer on boost..
I presume EGT was getting a bit high.

Simon

T-uk
10th June 2005, 12:35
jb's wideband says I am running an afr of 11.3 , how much richer are you?

I am sure we tried adding fuel but might raise the pressure a bit.

David_Wallis
10th June 2005, 14:09
Richer than a tight scotsman? :D

ScoobyDuck
10th June 2005, 16:41
PFC has a setting in it for coming off throttle ... somewhere...
one of the stupid 'TPS v Inj Setting' or something.
not tried it yet, but am having similar issues on cold start enrichment, where it goes sub 10's and when you re-apply gas after a gear change you go nowhere, then go - very anoying as the actual AFR's during warm up are ok. might have to make it a bit leaner still i suppose!

Paul@Zen
10th June 2005, 21:07
Originally posted by ScoobyDuck:
PFC has a setting in it for coming off throttle ... somewhere...
one of the stupid 'TPS v Inj Setting' or something.
not tried it yet, but am having similar issues on cold start enrichment, where it goes sub 10's and when you re-apply gas after a gear change you go nowhere, then go - very anoying as the actual AFR's during warm up are ok. might have to make it a bit leaner still i suppose! That may be the accel enrichment doing that. Have you tried just stabbing the thottle open from low and medium openings too?

Simon_
11th June 2005, 00:06
Originally posted by T-uk:
jb's wideband says I am running an afr of 11.3 , how much richer are you?

I am sure we tried adding fuel but might raise the pressure a bit. 11.3 now.. was 11.5~11.8 can do that on my own car.. lol but obviously it wasn't a good idea.. lol

added a bit more boost for good measure tonight too smile.gif

Simon_
11th June 2005, 00:09
Scoobyduck,

probably as you are too rich further down the map, from what we were discussing on PM, you need to start altering that fuelling map.. ;)

Simon

ScoobyDuck
11th June 2005, 12:51
yeah possibly, but this is during coldness, so i'm really only 'just' pressing the throttle.

Paul - yes tried that. it tends to go a bit lean. but thats coz i've dropped the master injector %'s coz its stupid if i leave them @ 115%

inj accel does need upping around the 2-3k range on mine, but not much.

T-uk
12th June 2005, 12:14
back from crail and the engine is still running strong and only about 0.3 of a sec behind jb's car with same driver :D

Lateral Performance Ltd
12th June 2005, 14:28
Times ? in the 11's now ?

Mark.

T-uk
12th June 2005, 17:29
jb's managed 11.8 with 2sec 60foot before eating 5th gear synchro :(

Lateral Performance Ltd
12th June 2005, 17:46
I'm sure he's happy about the 11.8, shame about the syncro,

Mark.

RSVR Racer
12th June 2005, 18:22
Interesting re the Power FC problems being experienced. We are having the same problems on two cars, one UK model and also a Jap model, the shunt is very obvious and at some points borders on misfire.

Usually occurs when accelerator is pressed, boost builds then back off the gas to light throttle and shunt / misfire occurs. Changed springs to lightest available but didnt help. Also spent much time on the dyno trying to eliminate the problem via richening / leaning the various zones in the map where it occurs but to no avail. :confused:

Conrad

T-uk
12th June 2005, 21:27
understand what your saying david but I am having a few problems with my back at the moment , so removal wont be happening until the summer works out the wayand spending a day pulling out a 6speed is such easy work :rolleyes:

thankfully the owner is not as useless these days smile.gif

Paul@Zen
12th June 2005, 22:20
ouch indeed. My 4th gear synchro is suffering a little on downshifting, but seems fine on full bore flat shifting up.

Here doggy, nice doggy...

Paul

David_Wallis
13th June 2005, 11:25
:D

john banks
13th June 2005, 13:21
Not for the sort of car mine presently is, or as I am trying to run it as a daily hack. I think it is a bit in between reality for reliability and proper performance in some ways.