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3rd August 2003, 18:05
What a great day a total scortcher I shot some shakey video and will cut a dvd for my team and others if requested.

Some huge stories to follow http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif

I was very impressed with team work and camaraderie http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

Great bit for me was to be approached by Sky independent tv production exec to do a piece about ythe perils of tuning http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Some companies should be worried http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

It will be even better next year when the project cars have their BIG ENGINES in http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

I so hope my car will be ready for scooby shoot out. http://www.22b.com/owners/yvo16.jpg

Next year I will have some prizes from Platinumhire (http://www.Platinumhire.com) for some tasty car hire http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

Possum Fink
3rd August 2003, 18:55
Ten of the Best - what a top day out.

Total scorcher - although the heat was very scary for many of the turbo monsters!!!!

What was great about the day was the team - all having a good time - everyone made a real effort to get there and make it all happen.

Personally my plans to prepare and even have a chance of a last minute rush to get my new engine in was ruined by having to cancel my two weeks holiday due to being out of the country on business. I returned on Thursday, only to fall to the peril of Delhi Belly http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif

Back home - Mark and Carlos put in a great stint trying to fix a worsening misfire on my car (tip to me - look at both ends of the spark plug when checking them) which was fixed by replacing a cracked plug.

This left us Saturday to decide whether to run - or to try and set the car up.

Mark offered a turbo - the Garrett was going to be too much work - which we fitted on Stevens makeshift kitchen on during a BBQ on Saturday afternoon and evening - certainly great thanks to Steven for putting in so much work to help me.

So post BBQ - we started mapping at around midnight - only to have major boost control problems which we only resolved at 3am with real time help from Pat who was going round the M25 running David's car in!!!

Finally - at 5am - with much help from Mark we had a car that I felt would achieve mid-12s.

Up again at 7.15 as the running in ended for David and he arrived to collect an exhaust for his car.

The day itself paid off in full.

Still running a completely standard engine and gearbox - even in the searing heat - my times consistently improved run by run. And each run I was being overtaken in my own private battle with Steven - with us swapping the lead back and forth.

It was almost a dead-heat - but not quite - before it became so hot that the times went backwards - Steven got a 12.50s and I got a 12.49s. (It may be churlish to comment that I didn't find a card for one of my runs that was announced as 12.45s - which we have now checked on the video!!)

Overall pretty good results for two cars running standard internals - most incredible was Steven averaging 117mph terminals. Deeply impressive.

Two cars that were very well matched - although my thoughts of actually swapping out the standard headers and uppipe - the turbo I was trying must be good for low 12s.

The best moment of the day was David Wallis eventually making it - after nearly 48 hours of continual work - a proud moment for the Scooby team. In the end the times were almost irrelevent - but he ran his car as he always said he would.

So top honours to Andy - well done - he maintained the Scooby honour.

As far as I know there was only one Scoob missing...

...not sure why.

Looking forward to the Scooby shoot-out now...

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Possum http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Possum Fink
3rd August 2003, 18:56
PS Got interviewed by the lovely Claire from Sky in her see through leopard skin top!

Possum (wiping away drool!)

3rd August 2003, 19:59
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Me happy bunny http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif, thanks to mark for midnight mapping on friday http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Shame my defis were only recording 1.2 peak when my best times were recorded, as 1.3 is the normal running boost.

All i wanted today was to achieve a 12.5, which i have been told would not happen, but i did, so i am happy http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Roll on Scooby shootout http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


3rd August 2003, 21:30
what a great day, and FINALLY some good weather (about time I could actually call it summer time http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif).

Steven you've got a nice engine http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif ..... although the times were very close, the difference in final speed at the end of the 1/4 showed that you had some power in it http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif.

And Trout, don't forget to check both sides of the spark plugs, next time you decide to take them out http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif.

Carlos H.

3rd August 2003, 21:56
how did andy, harvy, bob, and the rest of the 22b team do?

3rd August 2003, 21:58
Great day http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif Good to meet you guys again.

Great that David made it, once the teething problems are sorted, thats going to be one wicked car !

I was well please with my string of 11.7's at 126/127 mph. Not bad terminal speeds for a fully trimmed car running a std internals 2.0 litre!

Did anyone else notice that the LH lane terminals were around 15 mph slower than the RH lane http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/confused.gif I mentioned this to the start line marshal and he said "ah, but there's a headwind" ....Doh

A special thanks to Nito who sponsored a prize for the fastest scoob http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif A very tasty Defi boost gauge and controller unit http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif It made the 400 mile round trip in a bumpy/noisy scooby worthwhile !
This will now be the most expensive piece of kit on my car http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif


PS Did I say it is for sale at 10k (excluding the defi's) http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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3rd August 2003, 22:01

Harvey was not there. IIRC Bob ran 12.6 ish at 120 mph.
Mikee had engine problems I think. John F also had an engine problem.


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3rd August 2003, 22:19
Andy, T'was an amusing day wasn't it...

Couple of points though...

1) Mikee didn't run because the car wasn't mapped...people were too busy elsewhere to get round to his unfortunately http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif

2) When did Bob run a 12.6? The best I remeber seeing was around 12.9 @ 113 maybe I missed his late run...but then again I didn't leave until 7pm...

3) Isn't worth mentioning the 12.5 that a UK wagoon ran with uk gearing and an MD304 to put these figures in context!

Hmmm why do I feel the blue touch paper has been lit http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

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Possum Fink
4th August 2003, 06:58

you are right about the potential of Davids car.

Running 0.8bar with no ignition (15 deg advance) his times were not brilliant due to a little more practice and set up required, but the terminal speeds at even this low level of tune were incredible.

Up to 115mph!!!!!!!!!!

Looking forward to getting mine now!

Possum http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

4th August 2003, 07:05
Well done Andy!
Tim, John decided to organise, and enter, a spectacularly public event. I have no idea what happened with his car, but he should expect some publicity, good or bad, I can't see he'll be upset by Andy's comments above.
David (Possum) seems to attract leopard-skin attired ladies.

4th August 2003, 07:32
Looks like i missed a good day.

Well done guys and hopefully ill see you at the scooby shoot out

4th August 2003, 08:30
Been a busy week, weekend, and a cracking day http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Steven (very tired http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)

so tired i cant spell

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Nezz the great
4th August 2003, 08:35
What a weekend!!

Thanks to P20PSD for allow us to use the field to camp in as well as a great BBQ with all the guys on the Saturday night, it was good to put some faces to names.

Weather was superb, the cars were amazing, the girls were wearing not a lot http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Well worth a 450 mile round trip and a total of 5.5 hours of motorway driving.

I did get a lot of footage and will try to get some ont MPEG later in the week.

Thanks to everybody for making it such a great weekend and I hope to see ya all there next year when I may even enter myself!


Lateral Performance Ltd
4th August 2003, 08:38
What a great day. The weather was a scorcher.....

It was a long week, spending some time helping David Wallis, and the boys, then with the help of Carlos (over from Peru for TOTB) and Steven Darley, trying to sort out an on going mis-fire problem Trout had on his car.

Then out until 1.30am on Fri' mapping Stevens, and finally got in Sun' morning at 4.15am from re-mapping Trouts. York's got some very nice roads for mapping "early" in the morning http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

The effort the guys put into trying to get Davids car ready, was amazing, and seeing it turn up, and the look on Davids face, made the whole week more than worth while.


4th August 2003, 08:51
Neil, no problem, did you do any donuts in the field at all http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Mark, thank you so much for mapping the car on friday at short notice, needed it to gain from the recent mods.

Carlos, i can still see you shaking (dont know wether it was fear or enjoyment) after the midnight mapping run, and thanks for spraying the intecooler.

Thanks to Nick too.



4th August 2003, 08:57
Andy, i complained about the difference in terminals, so Chris took my cards to show them, but they still did not seem to cure them.

When i got my 118 terminal and 12.56s in the right hand lane, my speedo was reading just over 120, yet when i got the 12.50 in the left my speedo was showing 120ish but only recorded 101 !!!

What did you and everyone get top speed wise?


4th August 2003, 09:01
no problem Steve.

BTW you were quite quick in the handling bit of TOTB2 http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif


4th August 2003, 09:03
there was obviously a problem with speed measurment, I remember that Andy F. had a 11.7s run with 101mph http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif ..... made no sense at all.

Carlos H.

4th August 2003, 09:12
Yea Carlos, when I seen that on my 1st run (It was 106mph) I thought, strange I can't remember lifting before the line ?

1st 3 runs in LH lane were 106, 107 & 108mph
Swapped to RH lane and got 125, 126 & 127mph

Late afternoon I ran a 112mph in the LH lane so either they adjusted the beams or the car was getting quicker as the day got hotter http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif



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john banks
4th August 2003, 10:07
Enjoyable day. Good to meet you at last Anders http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif and put faces to lots of names http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Some very impressive machinery http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

4th August 2003, 10:42
Seems i have blown a gasket somewhere in the exhaust system, as this morning it is blowing like pats backside in davids garage, ie violently http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


4th August 2003, 10:46
I would love to know what top speed I got as I hit the limiter in 6th miles from the timing light .. speedo was past 160 and wouldnt go any further.. (uk car) and it was still accellerating like the jet car was pushing me.. so I lifted off.. doh.


4th August 2003, 10:48
Need a 7th gear http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif What was your limiter set to ?

4th August 2003, 10:57
It sounds as if you had a great day out lads!
I wish I could've been there with ya. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

117 mph terminals are stunning, maybe a bit too stunning on a UK geared car, with a 304 not running silly boost?

Trap speeds rarely vary that much on our cars - so there seems to be something weird.

Still, middle 12's are VERY decent, great work! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Andy - You are a madman indeed - superb! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


4th August 2003, 11:04
J, my speedo was actually reading 120ish, and it should not be that far out on a UK geared car.

My car, since the recent changes, does pull like hell in 4th.

When i went to Elvington in April, i was only seeing approx 110 on the speedo and getting 107/108, so seeing 120 should be around 117/118.

I now have a financially worrying feeling of ...... i want more http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


4th August 2003, 11:10
Is anyone going to post up any pictures??

Possum Fink
4th August 2003, 11:36

The terminal speeds one lane were certainly fcuked, hard to same how accurate the other lane was, but like you say, 12.5's are pretty good for a UK wagon running 1.3bar peak.


Possum Fink
4th August 2003, 11:43
Oh no - someone has stolen my-id! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

However I do agree with Mark http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


4th August 2003, 11:47
Not to detract from the UK cars performance......but....my car was running 11.66 at Elvington 3 weeks ago on Std UK gearing (which broke) It could only manage 11.70 yesterday on the close ratio RA gearing.
I still think that longer gearing on the 1/4 mile is better.


4th August 2003, 11:54
True Andy, but your car is an RA(i think) so lighter than the wagon, and you have a shed load more power than I http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Still your 11.66 the other week was good.


4th August 2003, 11:58

You had your interior stripped out though http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif My car is still in std full road trim http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif


4th August 2003, 12:02
Andy, i did not http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif, i merely removed the space saver wheel and cover.

Tim was the one who stripped the interior http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

The back seats were folded down http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif as i could not be arsed to put them back up after unloading all the crap we brought http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif


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4th August 2003, 12:10
Oops, got it wrong again - sorry http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

PS Do you have Tims permission to say that http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

4th August 2003, 12:12
well worth the trip down to an event like totb , even if I did only do 4 runs on the handling course (inc.spotting lap) with jb only doing a single run up the drag.

the clutch was slipping half an hour away from the event , so we had to kill the mid range torque and map it back quite a bit to give it a chance http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif. still I can live with finishing after andy and jf on the track,well the last time I looked although there was a few scoobs lined up.

at least we know what to expect if we take part next time . better tyres , a clutch up to standing starts so I do not waste a morning p155ed off before deciding to give it a go , and a bit of time playing with damper rates are called for.

take a bow team wallis http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif ,full marks for making it to the event.

4th August 2003, 12:15
Andy, no i dont http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

John, shame, you should have killed it properly.

4th August 2003, 12:18
Oi T-uk - wrong thread http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif this http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001331.html is the 'excuses' page http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

4th August 2003, 12:19

4th August 2003, 12:27

Hardest working...

Most improved launch...

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4th August 2003, 12:46
Nice ones Andrew http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif

4th August 2003, 12:57

4th August 2003, 12:59
andy, FO http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif , I am still half asleep.

steven , your right I should have killed it off. my hope is that it keeps working for road use. I could just leave it in then , since the car will not be at a track event for the rest of this year http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif.

4th August 2003, 13:01
Should have mentioned Michael White's? Legacy, very impressive.

I think my camera was playing up, because I took pictures of all the 22B entries that ran after lunch, and was going to think of captions for them all, but only a handful seem to be on the camera this morning http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/redface.gif

Trout was going to get the best launch award, even if he didn't get the best 60ft time he definately nailed that oh-so tricky Scoob launch several times in a row.


PS. Vipers rock!

4th August 2003, 13:25
Seems i have blown a gasket somewhere in the exhaust system

glad that is all it is steven. as you drove by me as I was leaving , I thought it sounded more compressor wheel related http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif.

4th August 2003, 13:31
Will be checking what the problem is exactly once i have recovered from the last 3 weeks work!

Nezz the great
4th August 2003, 14:25
donuts, me, nooooo course not http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif - will send you the MPEG when I get it done.

4th August 2003, 14:58
The tyre Marks say it all http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif, i then had to do some in the Jeep after we towed Davids back http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


Lateral Performance Ltd
4th August 2003, 17:06
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T-uk:
the clutch was slipping half an hour away from the event , so we had to kill the mid range torque and map it back quite a bit to give it a chance <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So guess you were running about the same power as Steven, and Trout then http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif


4th August 2003, 17:35

I would say I had 320bhp but the loss in mid range torque is what hurt most. even then the clutch was struggling which is why we limited the runs , although john should have done more than he did. we where trying to give the car a break between blasts to allow the plate to cool.

I do not think the car did bad to be honest , given the situation. I did a high 43 on the course on a lap the clutch and launch felt okay but did miss a gear on the back twisties and john on his only timed 1/4 ever did a 13.7 and told me he would not do another due to the slip he got.

we now know what to expect and if john's big engine is back in time for the scooby shoot-out we will be there with no excuses http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

john banks
4th August 2003, 18:05
13.7 by all accounts is miserable, it is fashionable to offer excuses. I'm not going to do so I deserve a walloping with a big wet fish for such a horrible time, and a public execution on Scoobynet http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Bring on the big engine and I hope I'll be in the 11s. If not I really will buy that M5 instead http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

4th August 2003, 19:53
SLAP - with a big fish for JB http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

T-uk - That last run you didn't complete was looking much faster than your previous run http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/cool.gif
Had me worried for a bit !


4th August 2003, 21:29
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T-uk:
Seems i have blown a gasket somewhere in the exhaust system

glad that is all it is steven. as you drove by me as I was leaving , I thought it sounded more compressor wheel related http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

..... wow mate u must really know the noise of a foocked compressor wheel http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif .....


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4th August 2003, 21:58

Ask him which type of turbo he has previously heard with a foocked compressor wheel http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif

4th August 2003, 22:07
The teminal speed equipment was defo out. Mr Norris complained to them but it had little effect. Lots of peeps were saying it was out by a substantial amount.

4th August 2003, 22:59
Did anyone complain the RH lane was too fast http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

4th August 2003, 23:20
Just back home now. Great weekend despite a few problems. Bloody wrecked too....4 days on the go, little sleep, about 1200 miles, and some minor engine hiccups.

Big thanks to Steven/P20 SPD...See ya soon

There def were issues with the timing equipment. Times and speeds were all over the place.
And as for top speed runs, Where exactly was the finish line??? Michael did about 5 runs, and got 3 times of around 100mph ??? and one time of around 160mph?? ( the final run really was the final run...didnt get a speed for that one )
I also did a top speed run, and didnt even get a result. I also think I held my car about 1/4mile further than I needed, if the finish line was at the chequered board thingy. I was sure I seen the timing beam much further on...????

Congrats to Andy on an impressive time.

Only a couple of things we need to do for next year, gona hav to get the racing slick type tyres most people were using. Road tyres just dont give you an even chance.

Also to add...

Big Thanks to Chris Mann and his team for organising the event. Excellent day out, and looking forward to more next year.

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4th August 2003, 23:30
Can anyone tell me...
once your cars were scrutineered would you have been able to fit a set of race slicks to your car?? were there any checks as the day went on? i am sure the tyres i spotted on one of the skylines were full race slicks..


4th August 2003, 23:55
This is the reason the tyres were scrutineered at the start of the day. Apparently a lot of these tyres are road legal though. They looked like slicks to me also. I did complain a bit after last years event about it, but apparently they are road legal, then I guess the only way to even things out a bit, is to go down the same road as the rest. I didnt want to have to go to the expense, or hassle of buying special competition road/slick tyres for the event, but looks like i may as well...almost everyone else does.

4th August 2003, 23:59
I was standing by the Handling course and there was a big bit of open space just to the left of the entrance to the course... i noticed twice that a particular skyline and EVO were right over the back changing wheels and though it was odd??


5th August 2003, 07:26
Turbos fine, dont know about the driver though, knackered and hand hurts.

The headers must have expanded quite a bit and the flexi joint at the collector must have closed up allowing the bolts to come loose.

The nuts were at the very end of the thread on the bolts http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif, so the minute you applied any throttle, it just blew out the gasket!

Cars working fine again now http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif, probably explains why i was only getting 1.2bar per the defis on the last 2 runs and the handling runs.


Possum Fink
5th August 2003, 09:50
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Andy.F:
Did anyone complain the RH lane was too fast http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Only after I saw your times http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/tongue.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

Seriously I think we were supposed to run alternatively in both lanes and then take an average to get a true terminal speed http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


5th August 2003, 10:58
Mark seems to think the speeds were too high ! but then when you're not actually running, you would, wouldn't you http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/wink.gif

I can't wait for the first event I don't compete at...lol... I just know that the trap speeds will be too low, there will be a headwind, the ambient temp will be too high, blah blah blah http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Adam M
5th August 2003, 11:03
which lane were bobs times set in?

5th August 2003, 11:10
I only seen Bob run in the RH lane so I assume his 120mph terminal speed was from there. Not sure where he set his best ET ?


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5th August 2003, 12:05
I just noticed the wing mirrors are folded in http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

5th August 2003, 12:07
I think he said that the headwind in the LH lane would mess his hair up to much for the cameras http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I think he did one top speed run but it stripped the paint of the mini-scoop on his bonnet http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


5th August 2003, 18:00

good to hear it is nothing more serious and only mentioned it going by my own experiences of a few failed vf turbos(although they where louder , yours did sound similar) , thinking it could help you find the problem. I was taking it for granted that you had fitted the new turbo feed pipe which could be removed easily , to check the compressor side for damage.

glad to be proven wrong as the event took enough casualties on the day http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/frown.gif.

5th August 2003, 18:22
No problems John.