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stevieturbo
16th July 2003, 22:48
Why is there a restrictor welded inside the up-pipe on the Gruppe S up-pipe that comes with the manifolds???

And why are both Parcel Force, and Customs robbing fu*king bastids...
52 in charges, when the parcel was valued at US $200, + $102 shipping???

6.xx import duty, 32.xx VAT, and 13.50 Parcel Force handling charge ?????

ROBBING SCUM

Lateral Performance Ltd
17th July 2003, 05:41
Stevie,

Basically, all imports are liable to duty, and VAT on not only the value of the goods, but the "shipping" too. So your $200 u/p gets valued at $302.

Then they apply an exchange rate, EG $1.65/. Giving about 183.00. Add duty, about 6.40, giving 189.40, and then VAT 33.00.

13.50 is a little steep though. The rest is down to our beloved government !

Mark.

CarlosH
17th July 2003, 06:40
complaining ?????

over here we pay import taxes also over the price + shipping, and we pay 12% + 18% + additional expenses http://www.lancerregister.com/images/smilies/goingmad.gif

MorayMackenzie
17th July 2003, 10:17
As to the restrictor...

Maybe its one of these "vortex" generation thingies... or an anti reversion device in the wrong place.

ChRoMe
17th July 2003, 11:03
did you by it via the gruppeS group buy on SN?? (Stainless Headers w upipe)

Let us know how you get on with the upipe (opinions of it in action/fitting etc..)

ta.

john banks
17th July 2003, 11:18
Uppipe sits low and angled backwards, spacing the uppipe brackets down helps, but then my downpipe sits low.

Harvey's earlier post re gaskets for Ion headers is useful. I think the gasket issue is not solved yet!

stevieturbo
17th July 2003, 16:40
Up-pipe is the one supplied with the manifolds.
It is deliberately, and smoothly sleeved down inside the up-pipe, for about 6" of its length. Not by much, but its still done.

Manifolds look very good. I didnt get them as part of the group buy, as I ordered them before it came about.
Purchased direct from Gruppe S, US $599 incl shipping.
Declared value on parcel was as mentioned $200, so id hate to think what the custom bastid tax could have been.
Good service, though they only actually posted them after I asked for a tracking number, after waiting a week for the manifolds.

http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809042
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809036
You can sort of see the line of the sleeved section in this pic.
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809038
And again, in this pic, from the opposite end
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809043

stevieturbo
17th July 2003, 16:40
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809037
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809039
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809040
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=809041

callum ferguson
17th July 2003, 21:38
Stevie,
The headers look very nice but I would still recommend you put a good square over all of the flanges before fitting. Mine aren't Gruppe S but they had to come off again and the leak issue at the up-pipe is still not solved http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif It looks like the up-pipe may have to come off for the same treatment with a file http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

AlanG
17th July 2003, 22:50
I've had the Gruppe-S headers on for a while now and happy with them. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

The first time i fired the car up, the gasket at manifold to up-pipe leaked pretty badly cause of stressing the up-pipe to manifold fitting.

I altered the securing/locating brackets at the top of the up-pipe after bolting the up-pipe to the manifold and have had one tiny tiny leak at the lower joint since. It was admittedly a very small leak but bugged the hell out of me!

Took off the supplied gasket and fitted an alternative.....which was a nonsense. Fired the car up..... fine....drove it round the block...fine....put my foot down to come on boost...and blew the fecker clean out!! http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/eek.gif

Hmmm....Took manifold off and checked flanges to make sure they were square (manifold and up-pipe) which they were, so have now fitted another alternative type gasket and so far....no problems. http://bbs.22b.com/ubb/smile.gif

Well pleased with purchase and results from them

Alan

stevieturbo
17th July 2003, 22:55
Good chance that their up-pipe may not be used anyway. HKS Garret is fitted which already has an up-pipe to suit.
Just have to see which looks better, and then modifiy to suit.

Andy.F
17th July 2003, 23:18
Look out for the different bore on the uppipe Steve, the Gruppe-s is larger than most others.

stevieturbo
18th July 2003, 00:11
Yea, see that...
Mite have to weld a flange onto the Gruppe S for the garret instead of using its own up-pipe.
Dia looked a lot bigger, but havent compared yet